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Volkly RTM 77 w/ Marker 4Motion 11.0 install

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

So I finally upgraded to a new pair of skis and can't figure out how to "lock" these bindings to the rails for the life of me.  I have them adjusted to the proper length boots and know how to do Dins etc..  It appears this new generation is not the same as the old motion systems and I am struggling with something that I can only assume is very easy.  I can provide additional pictures if that will help. Thanks in advance.

 

post #2 of 15

Sounds like you need to spend some time with Google and find a shop/technical manual for Völkl or Marker.

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 


Yeah thanks.  I tried that but it seems in general Marker has for some reason not released their service manuals to the public.  I ran across people searching for manuals but the manuals themselves are apparently very difficult.  The brochures and that sort of literature are everywhere just nothing technical.  The search continues...

post #4 of 15

Did your purchase not come with a little slip of paper with mounting instructions in the box?   The last pair of skis with Marker bindings I bought, some years ago did.  If not, it's a shame they have discontinued that practice.  Perhaps you might find some help on TGR. 

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
No, what they give you now is pathetic and basically tells you how to click in and out of the bindings. It appears I just need to tap the center steel insert in the ski. I searched for the pattern but nothing for the RTM with 4Motion. Thanks though.
post #6 of 15

They will not give you instructions due to legal issues if you get hurt.  DIN is only part of the adjustment.  Forward Pressure indicator is critical.  Also a torque test is recommended.  If you still decide to do it yourself make sure that:

1. You are boot center, (if that is what you want).

2. Forward Pressure is set correctly.

3. DIN is set correctly.

Setting these require the boot out of the binding, then check it with the boot in.  A torn ACL is more expensive then the cost of the shop charges. Basically they will charge a torque test since the integrated binds are already mounted.

post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have done quite a few in regards to forward pressure and such I just couldn't figure out the "lock" feature on these. I am assuming you have to thread the metal insert and the reason it doesn't come threaded is what you listed above.

I would go to a shop but honestly the only thing by me has kids running it and I don't trust them at all from past experience.

Thanks for input.
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post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
No I found that video and was like oh that's easy.. wait. No "click" with the 4 and no rear lock. Attached is the new system. The size adjustment is now on top and a added metal insert.
post #10 of 15

Hmmm, maybe Marker has been receiving too many complaints from their authorized dealers about too many folks not paying $50 bucks to have the dealer install the bindings.;):D

post #11 of 15

You don't see the screw hole in the ski between the words: <Binding> and <System> and the corresponding screw hole in the center of the binding, under the flip-up cover? 

 

Slide the binding onto the Motion rails, align the hole in the binding with the hole in the ski, insert screw from packet in binding box into the hole and tighten. 

 

You're welcome. 

 

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Hmmm, maybe Marker has been receiving too many complaints from their authorized dealers about too many folks not paying $50 bucks to have the dealer install the bindings.;):D

Yeah, the issue is ski shops...

post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

I was hoping that was not the case as a what is essentially a sheet metal screw into a blind steel hole is an extremely poor choice for mounting...  Plus if you want to remove and replace/upgrade it will be that much worse the second time around.  I may tap it properly and go from there..  thanks everyone for their 2cents.

post #13 of 15
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I was hoping that was not the case as a what is essentially a sheet metal screw into a blind steel hole is an extremely poor choice for mounting... 

 

It's a PLASTIC hole. 

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

You don't see the screw hole in the ski between the words: <Binding> and <System> and the corresponding screw hole in the center of the binding, under the flip-up cover? 

 

Slide the binding onto the Motion rails, align the hole in the binding with the hole in the ski, insert screw from packet in binding box into the hole and tighten. 

 

You're welcome. 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Hmmm, maybe Marker has been receiving too many complaints from their authorized dealers about too many folks not paying $50 bucks to have the dealer install the bindings.;):D

Yeah, the issue is ski shops...


The other shops, Whiteroom, not your's.   Your shop get's top marks from me:) (and I've never even been there!:eek)

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
The idea of the bindings being held on by basically a drywall anchor rather than proper threads baffles me but 1000s have done it so it must be ok. From a tool and die background things like that always make me cringe. Thanks
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