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Binding help for touring

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi - I'm considering buying a used pair of touring bindings (Fritschi Freeride Plus) from a friend and am planning on using them to skin at resorts (likely under 1000' vert) for fitness. I've never skied on touring bindings and have heard some can develop slop or don't perform well. The Fritschis are used but in excellent shape, but I'm wondering whether skiing relatively hard on them is possible or do bindings like this not perform as well as alpine bindings like Look Pivots or STHs? I have a "resort" set up of skis and alpine bindings but would it be ok to ski what I would normally ski at resorts with the touring bindings? Thoughts?
post #2 of 21

I had a pair; only used them a couple of times; they felt sloppy (could feel the binding upper moviing independently of the attached lower; also felt a little awkward because they seemed quite tall.  I did not feel that way about my Marker Barons.  I haven't used any other frame bindings.  On my alpine set ups I use Look PX12 bindings, Marker Kingpins (on my Fischer 98 ti for sidecountry), and on my powder skis Plum Yaks.   In the bc I use Dynafit Radicals and Plum Guides.

post #3 of 21
The fritschis are not my favorite bindings. But I skied a lit of steep couloirs on them many years ago. You won't feel much slop unless you're on very firm snow.

Not very efficient skinning, but fit your purpose they will do.
post #4 of 21

I read you want to skin resorts for fitness.  For this they will be fine.  The frame on them does twist which is noticeable and you do have a higher stand height as well which is noticeable.  On the plus side they have a relatively flat delta and they can accept alpine boots.

 

Not sure why you are interested in skiing them hard.  Get on your alpine boards for that.

 

In short, they will work for your stated purpose.

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Basically the reason I'm wondering about their downhill performance is: if I skin up early in the AM and then ski the rest of the day, I'm wondering if I should change out to my alpine set up or is skiing a "normal" day on them ok?
post #6 of 21

I was not particularly fond of skiing them for the stated reasons.

post #7 of 21
I didn't like FF either. I like Dukes,Guardians or heaven forbid, Trekkers, mo better.
But I'm all about the down.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
So the binding twists? In downhill mode? Or uphill?
post #9 of 21

Salomon Guardians - Atomic Trackers (Same as Guardians) and  Marker Barons are great for what you want. I have had my Atomic Trackers for maybe 3 years at 60+ days per year, no slop or twist what so ever, feel like regular DH bindings going down.  I've skied the Markers (but don't own) and they are fine also.  Never skied the Fritschi's, but not impressed with them and personally wouldn't buy them.    On another note, if you're planning on going uphill at the resort early AM, check with the resort for their uphill policy.  Many are allowing it as long as you are doing it 'correctly' and skinning up on the sides, not up the middle and not traversing across an active DH run.  If you are planning on going early AM prior to the lifts turning - CHECK WITH SKI PATROL FIRST !  That's when they are often doing avalanche control and grooming - and they may not be expecting anyone to be there!  

post #10 of 21

I use a lighter Fritschi binding for resort skiing and they work fine for me.  Little bit of slop maybe but I don't really notice that.  I ski on a light 93mm waist ski and generally avoid hard groomers.  Yes there are beefier bindings and there are lighter bindings, but the Fritschi's are fine and if you van get a used pair for a good price they will definitely work for you.

post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
How would a Baron feel going downhill compared to a Look Pivot or Rossi FKS binding?
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

How would a Baron feel going downhill compared to a Look Pivot or Rossi FKS binding?


I haven't skied those bindings but my Barons felt as solid as my Look PX12 and my Marker alpine bindings.

post #13 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post
 

[...] On another note, if you're planning on going uphill at the resort early AM, check with the resort for their uphill policy.  Many are allowing it as long as you are doing it 'correctly' and skinning up on the sides, not up the middle and not traversing across an active DH run.  If you are planning on going early AM prior to the lifts turning - CHECK WITH SKI PATROL FIRST !  That's when they are often doing avalanche control and grooming - and they may not be expecting anyone to be there!  

 

Here's the list:

http://www.ussma.org/resort-uphill-policies

 

For resorts with such official "uphilling" policies, very few (or maybe even none now?) require checking in with the patrol, since early-morning uphill routes are designated far away from avy control work, and/or a dedicated voicemail greeting is set up for the latest status (especially winching).

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Shefftz View Post
 

 

Here's the list:

http://www.ussma.org/resort-uphill-policies

 

For resorts with such official "uphilling" policies, very few (or maybe even none now?) require checking in with the patrol, since early-morning uphill routes are designated far away from avy control work, and/or a dedicated voicemail greeting is set up for the latest status (especially winching)...

....from the link you provided:

 

...and from the Stevens Pass link:

 

....so, I hear what you're saying about many places not requiring Patrol check in for uphilling, but at least in my playgorund, several are still requiring it.  Several others 'encourage' uphill skiers to check in with Patrol.  Granted, there are some areas that truly have designated uphill 'corridors' and it's not necessary... but many still do - just gotta know what the deal is where you're going.

 

...back to the OP's original question:  Marker Duke or Barrons will feel very solid, so will Salomon Guardians / Atomic Trackers.  Not so much the Marker Tour F10 or F12 - problem with those is the flimsy heel tower (IMO)..... but by the sounds of it, if you're using  Look Pivot's or Rossi FKS, you're not a Marker Tour / Squire (Tour is based on the Squire toe/heel)  kinda guy :beercheer:

post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
So I have two pairs of skis, one unmounted and one mounted with Look Pivots. The unmounted pair are newer and were bought to be my "daily driver" and replace the other pair, which have been my daily driver for years.

I'm trying to decide whether to:
A) mount the unmounted pair with the Barons and use them for resort and some resort skinning/ backcountry.
B) take the Pivots off the older pair, put those on the newer unmounted pair, and put the Barons on the older skis for exclusive touring/resort skinning use.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
^^^^ thoughts anyone? Thanks.
post #17 of 21

FWIW.  As an owner of many pairs of skis, it is often a PITA to decide which to use; a single pair is so much more carefree.  You haven't said what the skis you have are.  If I was to have 2 pairs of skis like you, I would have one pair of hard-firm snow carvers with alpine bindings and one pair of wider all-mountain skis with the Barons (personally I would have Kingpins instead) that I could use for fitness, side country, some back country, and softer snow front country.  If I just had two pair of similar skis, I would use the old ones as rock skis for low snow lift-served and the new ones as daily drivers with the Barons.

post #18 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

^^^^ thoughts anyone? Thanks.


Get Marker Tour 12 bindings. Much lighter without losing much on the down hill.

post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I already have the used Barons - just need to figure out what to do with them: mount on the older Volkl Gotamas or the newer ON3P Wren 102s. The older Volkls already have Pivots on them, so I'd rather just mount the Wrens with the Barons, unless the Pivots would be noticeably better for everyday resort downhill performance. Then I'd rather move the Pivots to the Wrens and mount the Gotamas with the Barons. Thoughts?

Thanks!
post #20 of 21

I know I wouldn't notice any difference.

post #21 of 21

Freeride + are pretty horrid to ski on.  If you want to skin get some tech (Dynafit) bindings and light compatible boots.  If you just want to get fit, put some Marker Dukes on a heavy alpine ski and knock yourself out.

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