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QE(not a review): Soul 7 VS Automatic 109 for light skier in Colorado and Utah resorts

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hey fellows, after  'skiing' in the forum for months and benefiting from all sorts of discussions, I've finally officially registered and I'm ready to post my first thread. As a rookie to the forum and skiing, it all begins with a question.... about the skis

 

A little about myself before getting to my question: located in Northeast Icy zone, started skiing three years ago. Learnt skiing in the small and Icy northeastern resorts with roughly 25+ days per season spent on the mountains. Began skiing Mountain collective and Epic resort since the second season, and could not survive a winter without skiing in the western mountains after it all began.

 

Basic profile

Weight and height: 145lbs and 5'9" (176cm), have been trying to gain weight to better bend my skis but no much of luck so far

Level: intermediate advancing to advanced

Preferred Trails:

On piste - could ski comfortably on Diamonds, but slow and kinda limping of big moguls; could carve a little bit but mostly skarve( skid and carve); like skiing fast (30mph<speed<45mph);

Off piste - really really love trees, able and dare to ski fairly tight but not crazily steep tree lines; love open trees trails and big bowls; on good days, willing to hike any length to get to a good spot.

Have been staying away from parks and intended to keep it that way

 

Current equipments: 173cm Bonafide (2014 version) , bindings on the recommended line

Pass holding: Epic, target resort for this season: 10+ days Vail&Beaver creek&A-basin&Breckenridge; 5+ days Park City; 10+ days Killington&Hunter......

 

 

I have been in general happy with my Bonafide except a few caveat. First and most, they could ski heavy in trees and float has been an issue on deep days. I have to stay in the front in order to keep them under control. I have little chance to relax myself. A lot times, I need to maintain high speed in order to turn comfortably. This become an issue when I was on a multiple days trip. The Bonafide is indeed DEMANDING. I do like that they are stiff enough for carving and handling difficult conditions in Northeast, I'd like them better if I could bend them enough tho. Sometimes it's obviously too stiff for my weight, or my slow speed, or my less polished skills. 

 

SO...I have been looking for a more fun and powder friendly skis. I demo Soul 7 for couple days back in 2015, in not-WIDE/powder-ski-deal conditions at Whistler. They did not impress me and I had to switch to carving skis. But that was just a bad year. I demoed Super 7 the past season in fresh Cali powder conditions and really liked them in powder. I found I'm not a big fan using them on piste tho, Edge switching tend to be slow. So..... after these little demoing experience and reading A LOT reviews, I purchased a pair of 172 Soul 7 (2016). And... I was brain washed by some cool skiing videos of pro skiers and bought the Atomic Automatic 109 in 175cm length. In the meantime, I'd like to keep my Bonafide for normal days. So... I had to decide to keep the Automatic 109 or the Soul 7...

 

There is very little discussion about Automatic 109, I hope fellows here who has first foot experience could share some light to help me make the decision. THANKS in adance, and please excuse me for my lengthy thread. It's summer, we have a lot time for discussion any way :) Cheers!

post #2 of 12
Well, I have only one demo day on them, but they impressed me so much that I bought a used pair over the summer. I have yet to ski on mine, obviously. I'm just under 200 lbs, 5 ft 10 and somewhere in the advanced through expert range.

I plan to put a good sharp 3 degree edge on them, and expect them to shine on all but the true ice days.
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Originally Posted by alexywang View Post

hey fellows, after  'skiing' in the forum for months and benefiting from all sorts of discussions, I've finally officially registered and I'm ready to post my first thread. As a rookie to the forum and skiing, it all begins with a question.... about the skis

A little about myself before getting to my question: located in Northeast Icy zone, started skiing three years ago. Learnt skiing in the small and Icy northeastern resorts with roughly 25+ days per season spent on the mountains. Began skiing Mountain collective and Epic resort since the second season, and could not survive a winter without skiing in the western mountains after it all began.

Basic profile
Weight and height: 145lbs and 5'9" (176cm), have been trying to gain weight to better bend my skis but no much of luck so far
Level: intermediate advancing to advanced
Preferred Trails:
On piste - could ski comfortably on Diamonds, but slow and kinda limping of big moguls; could carve a little bit but mostly skarve( skid and carve); like skiing fast (30mph
Off piste - really really love trees, able and dare to ski fairly tight but not crazily steep tree lines; love open trees trails and big bowls; on good days, willing to hike any length to get to a good spot.
Have been staying away from parks and intended to keep it that way

Current equipments: 173cm Bonafide (2014 version) , bindings on the recommended line
Pass holding: Epic, target resort for this season: 10+ days Vail&Beaver creek&A-basin&Breckenridge; 5+ days Park City; 10+ days Killington&Hunter......


I have been in general happy with my Bonafide except a few caveat. First and most, they could ski heavy in trees and float has been an issue on deep days. I have to stay in the front in order to keep them under control. I have little chance to relax myself. A lot times, I need to maintain high speed in order to turn comfortably. This become an issue when I was on a multiple days trip. The Bonafide is indeed DEMANDING. I do like that they are stiff enough for carving and handling difficult conditions in Northeast, I'd like them better if I could bend them enough tho. Sometimes it's obviously too stiff for my weight, or my slow speed, or my less polished skills. 

SO...I have been looking for a more fun and powder friendly skis. I demo Soul 7 for couple days back in 2015, in not-WIDE/powder-ski-deal conditions at Whistler. They did not impress me and I had to switch to carving skis. But that was just a bad year. I demoed Super 7 the past season in fresh Cali powder conditions and really liked them in powder. I found I'm not a big fan using them on piste tho, Edge switching tend to be slow. So..... after these little demoing experience and reading A LOT reviews, I purchased a pair of 172 Soul 7 (2016). And... I was brain washed by some cool skiing videos of pro skiers and bought the Atomic Automatic 109 in 175cm length. In the meantime, I'd like to keep my Bonafide for normal days. So... I had to decide to keep the Automatic 109 or the Soul 7...

There is very little discussion about Automatic 109, I hope fellows here who has first foot experience could share some light to help me make the decision. THANKS in adance, and please excuse me for my lengthy thread. It's summer, we have a lot time for discussion any way smile.gif Cheers!

So what are you using for your 10+ days at icy Killington and Hunter? I say sell the Bones, get the Autos cheap, and then go find yourself a pair of proper east coast skis on which to get your scheiss together.
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So what are you using for your 10+ days at icy Killington and Hunter? I say sell the Bones, get the Autos cheap, and then go find yourself a pair of proper east coast skis on which to get your scheiss together.

That's not a bad idea... I have used Bones in the east... they weren't too bad but a more proper east coast skis sound much better. 

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Well, I have only one demo day on them, but they impressed me so much that I bought a used pair over the summer. I have yet to ski on mine, obviously. I'm just under 200 lbs, 5 ft 10 and somewhere in the advanced through expert range.

I plan to put a good sharp 3 degree edge on them, and expect them to shine on all but the true ice days.

Hi mdf, Which skis are you referring to? Soul 7 or Auto? 

post #6 of 12
The automatic. Coincidentally I tried one of the 7s the same day and hated it. I thought the 7 felt vague.

The automatic was stable when i let it run yet nimble in the trees.
Edited by mdf - 9/22/16 at 8:39pm
post #7 of 12
By the way, I agree with qcanoe that a real carver would be good for you. I have a real slalom ski I bring out when it is really, really icy. But it will help you learn to reduce that skid even on the marginal days when it is not mandatory.
post #8 of 12
Another side note, the 109 was definitely the sweet spot in the Automatic lineup. The 102 was scary when I tried to plow through crud. The 117 was only a tiny bit more stable than the 109 but much less nimble.

It's too bad it's been discontinued. I don't pay enough attention to know which atomic replaces it.
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Another side note, the 109 was definitely the sweet spot in the Automatic lineup. The 102 was scary when I tried to plow through crud. The 117 was only a tiny bit more stable than the 109 but much less nimble.

It's too bad it's been discontinued. I don't pay enough attention to know which atomic replaces it.

Thank you, sir. I think I'll keep the Auto, sell probably both the other two and get a real slalom ski. 

 

It looks like Atomic is replace Auto 109 with Backland 109

post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

So what are you using for your 10+ days at icy Killington and Hunter? I say sell the Bones, get the Autos cheap, and then go find yourself a pair of proper east coast skis on which to get your scheiss together.
This. You really really need something under 98 mm to ski east coast ice n bumps.
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This. You really really need something under 98 mm to ski east coast ice n bumps.

 

Guess I'll have to put in a little more research into a slalom ski. I did fell and cause little finger cracked due to weak hold (or less sophisticated ice skating skills) last season. But I doubt that I would demo anything. I'll probably pick something up in the gear market here. Any suggestions on brand, model and size ?

post #12 of 12
Opinions will vary.  My preference is to NOT to get an all-mountain with an Eastern bias.  Anything 98 mm will do, 109 will also do*, so get something completely different instead.  My "other" ski is a real slalom ski that I bought at a ski swap. For men, that means a length 165-ish cm long,  67-ish mm wide, depending on year and brand.  You may have a preference for your second slalom ski, but for the first one get whatever you can find in good condition. 

*if you put a real edge on both
Edited by mdf - 9/23/16 at 5:01pm
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