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Size of Toko file guide!?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hey EpicSki.

 

Just a quick question for you experts out there. How wide a file will this base bevel tool hold???? Can't find proper information ANYWHERE.

 

 

 

Thanks!!

Nick.

post #2 of 26

I'm guessing one inch.

post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

I'm guessing one inch.

 

How certain are you? Ordering from another country (i need to be certain), and i have a dumb fat file for some reason (0,25 mm, JUST below an inch!)

 

Thanks though!

post #4 of 26
There is a similar one from Swix I've seen on many sites, takes 25 mm width. I've seen an adjustable Toko that takes 25 mm width, so I'm guessing it's 25mm. But you could get the Swix.

http://www.tognar.com/swix-aluminum-base-bevel-guides/
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

There is a similar one from Swix I've seen on many sites, takes 25 mm width. I've seen an adjustable Toko that takes 25 mm width, so I'm guessing it's 25mm. But you could get the Swix.

http://www.tognar.com/swix-aluminum-base-bevel-guides/

 

Thanks for being helpful as always sibhusky :) Well i live across the pond and for some reason tools over here are waaaay overpriced. The one you linked cannot be found for less than the equivalent of 70-80 USD, and tools like Beast tools aren't really an option either... 

 

I almost ended up going for some plastic or adjustable solution, but stumbled upon the Toko for like 40 USD shipping included.... So i think it'll be that one!!

post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

There is a similar one from Swix I've seen on many sites, takes 25 mm width. I've seen an adjustable Toko that takes 25 mm width, so I'm guessing it's 25mm. But you could get the Swix.

http://www.tognar.com/swix-aluminum-base-bevel-guides/

 

Thanks for being helpful as always sibhusky :) Well i live across the pond and for some reason tools over here are waaaay overpriced. The one you linked cannot be found for less than the equivalent of 70-80 USD, and tools like Beast tools aren't really an option either... 

 

I almost ended up going for some plastic or adjustable solution, but stumbled upon the Toko for like 40 USD shipping included.... So i think it'll be that one!!


Looking at Toko's site it seem they don't make those ones anymore.  The new ones have a thumb screw. I would not want that as I like the ablity to move the file or stone with each stroke.    Then they have an adjustable one.  Yes, they don't say anything about dimensions so one must assume they will fit any ski files or stones. 
So you are also saying nobody will ship you a BEAST base bevel tool.  I find that hard to believe. 

Some folks show a clamp with some base guides when they are not needed or not designed to use a clamp. Good luck.

 

Here is an example of someone showing the BEAST with a clamp and that's not correct.  It is designed for fingers to hold.
BaseBeveler-4.jpg

 

This is from the folks who make it.
Ski Base Edge Tuning 

 

BTW, here is a seller in the UK  http://www.snowrepublic.co.uk/Tools/Base-and-Side-Edge/Base-Beast

post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 


Looking at Toko's site it seem they don't make those ones anymore.  The new ones have a thumb screw. I would not want that as I like the ablity to move the file or stone with each stroke.    Then they have an adjustable one.  Yes, they don't say anything about dimensions so one must assume they will fit any ski files or stones. 
So you are also saying nobody will ship you a BEAST base bevel tool.  I find that hard to believe. 

Some folks show a clamp with some base guides when they are not needed or not designed to use a clamp. Good luck.

 

Here is an example of someone showing the BEAST with a clamp and that's not correct.  It is designed for fingers to hold.
BaseBeveler-4.jpg

 

This is from the folks who make it.
Ski Base Edge Tuning

 Thanks, i do know about the tools, but after VAT and import fees the prices go sky-high. I've found the toko one very cheap here in Europe, i just wanted to make sure my file fit. Otherwise i am going to order a new file together with the base bevel since it is so cheap having to buy another file doesn't really matter :D Although i really don't need one!

post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 


Looking at Toko's site it seem they don't make those ones anymore.  The new ones have a thumb screw. I would not want that as I like the ablity to move the file or stone with each stroke.    Then they have an adjustable one.  Yes, they don't say anything about dimensions so one must assume they will fit any ski files or stones. 
So you are also saying nobody will ship you a BEAST base bevel tool.  I find that hard to believe. 

Some folks show a clamp with some base guides when they are not needed or not designed to use a clamp. Good luck.

 

Here is an example of someone showing the BEAST with a clamp and that's not correct.  It is designed for fingers to hold.
BaseBeveler-4.jpg

 

This is from the folks who make it.
Ski Base Edge Tuning

 Thanks, i do know about the tools, but after VAT and import fees the prices go sky-high. I've found the toko one very cheap here in Europe, i just wanted to make sure my file fit. Otherwise i am going to order a new file together with the base bevel since it is so cheap having to buy another file doesn't really matter :D Although i really don't need one!


I just edited my above.  If you can get those old Toko's you will be fine.

post #9 of 26
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I just edited my above.  If you can get those old Toko's you will be fine.

Oh thanks, i didn't come across that site!! Seems they aren't in stock though :d And to be honest, the Toko is a steal, but i'll keep that site in mind if i need a .5 base angle some time soon! :beercheer:

post #10 of 26

I have a Toko base guide like the one in the picture and am frustrated by what I can't fit in it.  It's too narrow for my normal diamond stones.  It's packed away or I'd measure it for you, but normal (not small) DMT and Moonflex diamond stones don't fit.  Files are fine.

post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

I have a Toko base guide like the one in the picture and am frustrated by what I can't fit in it.  It's too narrow for my normal diamond stones.  It's packed away or I'd measure it for you, but normal (not small) DMT and Moonflex diamond stones don't fit.  Files are fine.

 

Daaaaaang, exactly what i feared......... Aaaaaaaaaaaawwwwww, but it is such a steal :( Back on the hunt for another one :d

post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

I have a Toko base guide like the one in the picture and am frustrated by what I can't fit in it.  It's too narrow for my normal diamond stones.  It's packed away or I'd measure it for you, but normal (not small) DMT and Moonflex diamond stones don't fit.  Files are fine.

 

Actually, do you know if your DMT's are 25 mm wide or 22 mm wide? My file is 25 mm wide, but my DMT's are quite narrow compared to other DMT's i think (they are 22 mm wide).... If i just have to get another file i wouldn't mind too much!

post #13 of 26

I just found this searching the site:

 

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Originally Posted by spyderjon View Post
 
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Originally Posted by marc gledhill
I use a Toko World Cup Base Bevel Guide, it's metal too and spans the full base of the ski. Seems like a nice tool.
I too use the Toko. Only problem is that it's too narrow for Moonflex stones so you either have to use DMT's () or trim the plastic off some Moonflex's, which is what I did.
 
post #14 of 26

Let me go check.  I'll unpack it and measure.

post #15 of 26

For the life of me I can't find a ruler that measures mm.

 

As spyderjon said, the DMT's fit, the Mooflex don't  The moonflex I think are 25mm 


The moonflex are almost 1 inch.  Not sure what the guide or DMT's are, maybe 23mm?

post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

Let me go check.  I'll unpack it and measure.

 

You the man! I have the "narrower" dmt's without any plastic or metal edging, they are 22 mm wide pretty precisely. So the base bevel has to be atleast 22.5mm :) 

post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

For the life of me I can't find a ruler that measures mm.

 

As spyderjon said, the DMT's fit, the Mooflex don't  The moonflex I think are 25mm 


The moonflex are almost 1 inch.  Not sure what the guide or DMT's are, maybe 23mm?

 

If you could measure in something else i can convert myself, but otherwise i'll just take your words for good ! Thanks for helping me out!

post #18 of 26

So you'll be fine, I have a number of files and  know that some of them fit the guide easily.  It's just the moonflex stones that don't!

 

Happy to help another tuner,  You can tune a ski, but you can't tune a fish.

post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

For the life of me I can't find a ruler that measures mm.

 

As spyderjon said, the DMT's fit, the Mooflex don't  The moonflex I think are 25mm 


The moonflex are almost 1 inch.  Not sure what the guide or DMT's are, maybe 23mm?

 

If you could measure in something else i can convert myself, but otherwise i'll just take your words for good ! Thanks for helping me out!

 

I did measure and used google to convert.  The guide and dmt's were a little bigger than 7/8' which would be >22mm.

 

Moonflex was almost 1"    25mm is .98"

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

So you'll be fine, I have a number of files and  know that some of them fit the guide easily.  It's just the moonflex stones that don't!

 

Happy to help another tuner,  You can tune a ski, but you can't tune a fish.

 

Thanks! Now that i already got your attention, would you prefer a 15 or 18 t/cm file for base edge filing? http://www.tesmasport.com/ski-tuning-waxes/edge-tuning/files/holmenkol-racing-file-150-20mm-s. I can get the holmenkol in both 15 or 18, both will fit the base bevel and both kinda cost the same :) I'm leaning more towards the finer file! I will use a coarse diamond stone to remove hardened areas etc. etc. etc.

post #21 of 26

I never file my base edges, once the bevel is set by a stone grind the most I will do is a light medium stone - and that's the most.  

 

I run a gummi stone up and down the base edge flat to the edge, and also run a fine stone the same way to get rid of the hanging burr, but never file my base edges.

 

I'm also no expert on files or file types, I buy the ones that the ski tuning supply websites rave about the most.

post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

I have a Toko base guide like the one in the picture and am frustrated by what I can't fit in it.  It's too narrow for my normal diamond stones.  It's packed away or I'd measure it for you, but normal (not small) DMT and Moonflex diamond stones don't fit.  Files are fine.


Good info!  You only need a file once on a base edge, so that tool may be a waste if you can't fit Moonflex or Swix diamond stone in it.

post #23 of 26
Best base file system is SunValleySkiTools: http://www.race-werks.com/svst-the-final-cut-base-edge-beveling-tool/ The opening the file/stone goes into is wide enough for any of those tools. Unfortunately, some of the degrees are out of stock currently. I've been using the one degree model for many years in combination with SVST's one-degree side edge bevel guide.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post

Best base file system is SunValleySkiTools: http://www.race-werks.com/svst-the-final-cut-base-edge-beveling-tool/ The opening the file/stone goes into is wide enough for any of those tools. Unfortunately, some of the degrees are out of stock currently. I've been using the one degree model for many years in combination with SVST's one-degree side edge bevel guide.

 

Thanks but again, i haven't had any luck finding these in Europe and the shipping + VAT + import fees make prices go skyhigh! Thanks for the suggestion though, i hear many people swear by the SVST bevels.

post #25 of 26
Maybe someone in the US could get SVST tools and mail them to you???
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post

Maybe someone in the US could get SVST tools and mail them to you???

Would be awesome, but might get pricey (im studying), and i dont know who i should ask smile.gif)
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