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https://longrangesnowcenter.blogspot.com.au/2017/04/western-united-states-on-long-term-15th.html
Here is my long term outlook for North America, final for the season.
The atmospheric river looks quiet in the long term, but you never know!

You are wrong. It will snow at Tahoe May 11-12 because the Amgen Tour of California Women's Bike Race is scheduled there those 2 days and it always snows when they schedule that race here.

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From the Heavenly Facebook Page...

 

As the 2016-17 season winds down the following is a list of scheduled lift closures. Please note that at this time you cannot access Sky Express from the California Lodge. You can however access Sky Express from the Gondola.

Operating hours: 7 days a week through 4/23 - Closed 4/24 through 4/27 - Open 4/28 through 4/30

Open through 4/30:

Gondola, Tamarack Express, Dipper Express, Big Easy, Gunbarrel Express, Aerial Tram and the Tubing Lift.

Open through 4/23:

Stagecoach Express, Sky Express and Bear Cave Carpet

Now closed for the season:

Comet Express, Olympic Express, Red Fir Tow, Patsy’s, Powderbowl Express, Canyon Express, DMZ Carpet, Enchanted Forest Carpet, North Bowl, Mott Canyon, First Ride, Boulder Lift and the Boulder Carpet.

 

It kinda sucks they're not running the connecting lifts between Gunbarrel and Sky,  but with what they are still running you can still get to some decent stuff to ski.

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It kinda sucks they're not running the connecting lifts between Gunbarrel and Sky,  but with what they are still running you can still get to some decent stuff to ski.

The guys I parked by at Kirkwood's closing day thought skiers using CA base were getting a bad deal, while those using Stagecoach base like them came out well. At least they are running Gunbarrel for the Face Rats and are running lifts to the end of April unlike Kirkwood.

 

For reports from skiing last week's powder at Heavenly see http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12395 and http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12396

 

For Kirkwood's closing weekend report to which I just added some pictures, see http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12398

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It's a semi-tradition for me to ski the last day of the season at Kirkwood, and this year I have some comparison pictures between the worst snow year in history 14/15 and the 2nd best 16/17 since they were so close together.  What a difference 2-years makes!

 

 

 

 

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A bit late for a report, but Friday was incredible at Heavenly.  My wife and I were skiing our favorite lines off the Pinnacles traverse until she couldn't turn any more, then we finished up on our favorite run down Hogsback trees.  It was amazing seeing mid-winter conditions this late in the season, all the way to the bottom of California.

 

 

This has been the best April I can remember.  Plenty of powder and cold temps, and the crowds were gone!

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excellent shallow smooth corn on South Face of Sherwood this morning--it didn't seem to be skied yesterday. However in areas of Sherwood with tracks from yesterday, while the untracked snow was good the tracks and piled up snow were very hard. Looks like they've cut back on grooming staff--only about half of the stuff that's usually groomed was groomed on what was mainly a groomer day, or maybe equipment problems--someone saw an abandoned machine somewhere on the mountain this morning. Other than Sherwood I didn't ski any off-piste but it looked like a nightmare.

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Now official. Sugar Bowl will be open Friday - Sunday only, until May 7th
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To add to the great pictorial post above from @skinorthamerica contrasting two seasons ago with this season, the Sugar Bowl passholders received an email yesterday stating that Sugar Bowl has almost 40% more passholders now compared to the 14/15 season. It should be noted that the pass prices increased each year and benefits reduced, so the comparable value on paper is quite a bit less than two years ago. This is an example of how heavily ski resort business is affected by weather. Gotta be a tough business when it is so heavily influenced by something over which nobody has any control.

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well, as fast as pass prices incresae, the day ticket prices increase too, so the Days to break even is relatively very low for Tahoe.


I take their stat more of the trend and push (started by epic) to consolidate things into a club with season Passes and high day rates

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well, as fast as pass prices incresae, the day ticket prices increase too, so the Days to break even is relatively very low for Tahoe.


I take their stat more of the trend and push (started by epic) to consolidate things into a club with season Passes and high day rates


I take their stat as evidence that snow/weather affects people's decisions to go skiing and/or buy passes much more than anything they actually can control.

 

As a consumer, I am happy that I am in such a competitive market that includes Vail-owned resorts because the relatively low season pass prices make the sport very affordable for someone like me.

 

It was also notable how busy the resorts were this year, and at least at Sugar Bowl where I usually was skiing, I saw a huge amount of paper daily lift tickets on people's jackets. Lot's of people paid window rates this year but obviously many of them were ultimately converted to passholders. I skied with a friend yesterday who had already purchased a 17/18 season pass for himself and his two young daughters at Donner Ski Ranch, but he figured he would get at least one more "adult" ski day in this season after yesterday and certainly would get a few next season, so it was an easy decision to buy a midweek pass at Sugar Bowl rather than paying for a day ticket yesterday. The midweek Sugar Bowl pass pays for itself in three days.


Edited by TallSkinnyGuy - 4/21/17 at 11:47am
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  This is an example of how heavily ski resort business is affected by weather. Gotta be a tough business when it is so heavily influenced by something over which nobody has any control.

Used to be the survival of your family or your clan or your family depended on the weather; in some places in the world it is still is.

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Any guesses on how Squaw will be skiing in early June?  Traveling west and want to squeeze in a couple of days.  Abasin in CO is most convenient, but maybe not worth the effort and maybe not open during the week.  Mammoth probably best bet, but would only be able to get in one day there and not sure all the traveling to do that is worth it.  Squaw seems to be in the sweet spot of not to difficult to get to and reasonable conditions, but would love to hear thoughts before I officially pull the trigger.  Right now they have a 2 day pass that I could purchase as well.  Will lift ticket prices go down from $75/day that time of year?

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Any guesses on how Squaw will be skiing in early June?  Traveling west and want to squeeze in a couple of days.  Abasin in CO is most convenient, but maybe not worth the effort and maybe not open during the week.  Mammoth probably best bet, but would only be able to get in one day there and not sure all the traveling to do that is worth it.  Squaw seems to be in the sweet spot of not to difficult to get to and reasonable conditions, but would love to hear thoughts before I officially pull the trigger.  Right now they have a 2 day pass that I could purchase as well.  Will lift ticket prices go down from $75/day that time of year?
If you have a pass at another resort it's only $52
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likely only good for a couple hours a day and not really representative of the resort in mid season. Even at the $59/day price it's quite expensive, if you put it in the perspective that you have to hand over a $5 bill (or more) for each lift ride.
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likely only good for a couple hours a day and not really representative of the resort in mid season. Even at the $59/day price it's quite expensive, if you put it in the perspective that you have to hand over a $5 bill (or more) for each lift ride.
Depends on if you ski the steep stuff, that is usually pretty good all day
See this little primer on how to get it done in the spring at squaw
http://squawalpine.com/explore/blog/inside-scoop-spring-skiing-squaw-valley
Besides all the Vail resorts are closed so where else Ya gonna go
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June is unknown territory. The latest resort skiing I've done is Memorial Day--the steep chutes were good but open bowl was huge suncups. Not fun. Despite the massive snow year, by June good chance the mountain run will be melted out and the open terrain will be fairly limited. A lot of the traditional places to get corn snow--Tower 16, Sun Bowl will likely be melted out as well, even if the runouts are still open. If the overnight temps are warm, which is likely, the best stuff may be the steep north facing runs--Headwall North Bowl--which may require a climb from Siberia, and some of the stuff off Granite. But I don't think anyone here has experience skiing that late--except on year when there was very  limited skiing on Shirley Lake on the 4th of July. A better bet might be Mammoth--they have more experience staying open into July 4th, and at least Mammoth people can give you a better idea what to expect skiing that late in the year. 

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June is unknown territory. The latest resort skiing I've done is Memorial Day--the steep chutes were good but open bowl was huge suncups. Not fun. Despite the massive snow year, by June good chance the mountain run will be melted out and the open terrain will be fairly limited. A lot of the traditional places to get corn snow--Tower 16, Sun Bowl will likely be melted out as well, even if the runouts are still open. If the overnight temps are warm, which is likely, the best stuff may be the steep north facing runs--Headwall North Bowl--which may require a climb from Siberia, and some of the stuff off Granite. But I don't think anyone here has experience skiing that late--except on year when there was very  limited skiing on Shirley Lake on the 4th of July. A better bet might be Mammoth--they have more experience staying open into July 4th, and at least Mammoth people can give you a better idea what to expect skiing that late in the year. 
In the 10-11 July 4th session Siberia was the place to be, reverse traverse opened up all sorts of fun.

Shirley chutes was also good, but bottom or Shirley was a mass of humanity waiting for the lift.

Now that said mammoth does run a better spring operation than Squaw, chair 23 terrain holds up better and they do salt the groomers to fight the stickiness
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Today was probably my last day of the season. I took my kids to Sugar Bowl with a forecast of clear skies and 40 degrees at 9am lift opening and a high of 50 with a breeze in the afternoon. Turns out those conditions make for one beautiful ski day. We had to leave before lift closing, but when we left at 2:30 the snow was still really nice corn with no stickiness except for a couple small spots right at the base of the lift (we spent most of the afternoon on Judah lift with the kids going through the terrain park).

 

In the morning all the groomed east-facing runs were skiing really well. We did East Face off Disney about mid-morning and it was just fantastic. I would guess that in the last couple hours of the day all the north-facing terrain was skiing really well. There was a moderate crowd at Sugar Bowl today -- not too crowded to make skiing uncomfortable or any lift lines, but enough that it still seemed like the resort could be making a profit by being open. I'm out of town next weekend and don't like to travel an hour up the hill to ski for just an hour or two of decent conditions, so unless we get weather like today in a couple weeks I'll be staying home and calling today the last of the season.

 

I skied 28 days this year, which is high for me. A really great thing is that all of those days had great conditions (well, one day -- last Thursday -- was just "good"). I suppose that is one nice thing about living fairly close and having a flexible work schedule -- I can pick the best days to ski. I successfully hit most of the best powder days this season, had lots of great days with true winter-like snow (chalky, wind-buffed, soft crud, etc.) and some excellent spring days with smooth corn. This will be a Tahoe season to remember for a long time.

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It's a semi-tradition for me to ski the last day of the season at Kirkwood, and this year I have some comparison pictures between the worst snow year in history 14/15 and the 2nd best 16/17 since they were so close together.  What a difference 2-years makes!












Obviously lack of snow was a huge factor in 2014/15 but was there more early loss of snow also (due to rain)?
Very dramatic illustration of a bad season. Was Tahoe the worst affected or was Utah and Colorado just as bad?
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Originally Posted by skinorthamerica View Post

It's a semi-tradition for me to ski the last day of the season at Kirkwood, and this year I have some comparison pictures between the worst snow year in history 14/15 and the 2nd best 16/17 since they were so close together.  What a difference 2-years makes!
[snipped pics]
Obviously lack of snow was a huge factor in 2014/15 but was there more early loss of snow also (due to rain)?
Very dramatic illustration of a bad season. Was Tahoe the worst affected or was Utah and Colorado just as bad?

In 2014/15 Utah was very low too.  However April at Alta included two late season storms before 7-day ops ended.  The morning of 4/15/2015 started with 20+ inches from a fluffy powder storm that dropped 34 inches by time it was done.  I was there for that storm and the one the week before.  But that only brought the season total up to 309 inches.  Alta usually gets well over 400 inches and this year had over 500 a couple weeks ago.

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I had a great day at Heavenly yesterday, my last of the season.

 

Coverage is still superb, but it can be windy up top.  Dress appropriately and don't be fooled by lake level warmth.

 

Stagecoach area - getting sticky near the bottom

Sky - now closed but was dry up top and corn snow near end of day

Tamarack - great shape

Dipper - super, but a touch slushy near end of day

 

Big crowds down at gondola base enjoying the spring. 

 

I've never skied April 23rd before - latest I've ever done. 

 

Maybe back in 1996 I went late April in Vermont on another huge snow year.

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Saw this at heavenly yesterday in Aries Woods (between little dipper and orion).

 

Spring time!

 

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Last bit of winter at Heavenly last weekend

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Well, looks like the ski season has outlasted the forum...

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Well, looks like the ski season has outlasted the forum...
Yup that's the truth ain't it, and Alpine is/was money this AM
Plus
No one here at all
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