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post #31 of 56
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Honestly that will be plenty fine for you. No need to overthink it.  Tighter is better, speed suit is better, but it's honestly not going to be a deal breaker for you at this point.
I wear my Descente WC and Ski Cross jackets when I race as well, sometimes opting for a tighter soft shell when it's warmer.  Might get a bit of gate burn (shoulders/arms from GS); if you are really fussy don't wear your "best" jacket!  There are guys I know who's training pants that look like they have a greater %age of duct tape than pant material.  I have a great pair of pants that are now relegated to "master's pants" given the amount of gate burn around the lower legs from SL.  

Focus on line and other areas that have been identified for you to work on.

Very cool you are clearly excited about bashing gates, and I'm sure you'll have a blast getting back into it.  No need to spend on things you don't need.  Have fun and you'll quickly discover when you need additional gear or such as you go.    

After I learned about "gate burn" no way am I going to wear that jacket racing!
post #32 of 56
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So far I have the arm guards, pole guards, and shin guards all used at good deals. I have motocross padded pants already. I am getting there!

Does anyone know where I can buy some technique?

post #33 of 56

Reliable Racing used to carry the Energiapura line, but I don't see it on their site anymore.  I'd like to buy a spare jacket if I can find one.  One of our faster guys on the mountain has had the same training jacket for a season or two before me and it's holding up well.  This particular jacket fits close enough that on a bitter cold race night it adds some warmth without the 'brakes'.

 

Found the pants- they are by Marmot.  Basically winter sports pants, not specifically ski pants.  Fit true to size with some decent stretch.  Little insulation value, however.  I'll wear a pair of Russell winter athletic stretch long johns (like Under Armor cold gear but not pricey), some decent ski socks, the padded race training shorts, and the pants.  I wear a knee brace to protect a bad PCL & it fits fine under the Marmot pants.

post #34 of 56
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See if you can find a model on the pants. Thanks
post #35 of 56

Found it:  Marmot 'Scree' is the model of pants.

 

http://www.ems.com/marmot-men%E2%80%99s-scree-pants/1282769.html#start=19

 

As mentioned, these have worked very well for training / NASTAR pants.  The fit is close enough that they are not flapping in the wind like typical baggy insulated ski pants.  I have a pair of insulted Spyder pants that baggy like that and add .6 seconds to my times.  I haven't figured out what the Marmots add, but I'm sure it's minimal.

post #36 of 56
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How is the fit? Do I need to go larger with padded pants
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post #37 of 56

You may want a full side zip pant so you do not have to remove your boots to take off your pants.

post #38 of 56
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How is the fit? Do I need to go larger with padded pants
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I bought my normal waist size & fit over pads is fine.

 

Full side zip would be nice, but I have not yet found anything.

post #39 of 56

I'd worry more about zip offs over

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You may want a full side zip pant so you do not have to remove your boots to take off your pants.


Yeah, I'd worry about zip offs before the slim fit pants.


As a new racer I'd be worried about first and foremost:

Good helmet

Boots that fit really well
Gloves with protection
Decent race skis, used is fine
Closer fitting jacket that can take a little abuse
Lessons/Practice
Goggles for low light if racing beer leagues

Next would be:

Ski tuning/waxing setup and getting instrcution how to use it
Upper body/arm padding for training
GS suit
Zip off pants
More lessons and practice


Icing on the cake:
More form fitting outerwear for NASTAR or less competitive racing
More goggle lens selections
Booster straps for boots for improved control
More lessons and training
Additional skis for course types




 

post #40 of 56

I would have chin guard up there with number one or two

post #41 of 56
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I would have chin guard up there with number one or two

 

This. Safety first.

post #42 of 56
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Bought the chin guard first.
post #43 of 56
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Bought the chin guard first.

 

Shin guards?

post #44 of 56

you will need them at some point, depends on how quickly you get into the racing line for SL and properly turn uphill from the gate.

post #45 of 56
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Got them!
post #46 of 56
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I have ordered the padded top and tight mamont pants with protective shorts. I am ready except for a stretch type top. I am looking everywhere. Just need something to take abraision, some wind blockage and somewhat tight fitting. I cannot find the padded jacket anywhere or anything like it. I also have the training shorts. Any ideas?

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you will need them at some point, depends on how quickly you get into the racing line for SL and properly turn uphill from the gate.

What does it mean to turn uphill?

post #47 of 56
It means your turn actually starts way above the gate. By the time you get to the gate your turn should pretty much be completed and you are starting to transition to the other edge.

It'll be much more clear when you start banging gates.
post #48 of 56
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I have ordered the padded top and tight mamont pants with protective shorts. I am ready except for a stretch type top. I am looking everywhere. Just need something to take abraision, some wind blockage and somewhat tight fitting. I cannot find the padded jacket anywhere or anything like it. I also have the training shorts. Any ideas?

What does it mean to turn uphill?



I'd worry more about actually skiing than buying more gear. :)

post #49 of 56
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

I have ordered the padded top and tight mamont pants with protective shorts. I am ready except for a stretch type top. I am looking everywhere. Just need something to take abraision, some wind blockage and somewhat tight fitting. I cannot find the padded jacket anywhere or anything like it. I also have the training shorts. Any ideas?

What does it mean to turn uphill?



I'd worry more about actually skiing than buying more gear. :)

Show me some snow :D 

post #50 of 56

Sounds like you are well on your way for equipment.  The Marmot pants are 'normal' enough that you may find them useful for other winter activities.  I don't think you really need the side zip unless you plan to wear them over a race suit, and for training and every day NASTAR, no need for a suit.

 

I'm going to keep looking for another jacket like the one I have.  If I find one, I'll post the source & please do likewise.

 

One comment on gate bashing:  Probably you should not be bashing gates right away- it should be more of an 'accident' as a result of you getting better angulation and tightening your line- in that order.  In the beginning, you probably won't have enough speed and therefore angle to put your body against the gate with your skis a good distance away.  If you are close enough to bang a gate at beginner speeds, your skis are going to be VERY close to the gate.  Hooking a gate es no bueno.  With training / practice eventually you can reach a natural progression of whether or not it's necessary to bang the gate for a good line.  I was given this advice and wished I would have taken heed.  :D

post #51 of 56

Turning "uphill" is a bit of a misnomer.  That said, the biggest problem of many aspiring racers is charging DOWN the hill going STRAIGHT from gate to gate.  In both SL and GS, FINISHING the turn is very important.  It is more turning ACROSS the hill AFTER the gate before quickly transitioning to the next turn.  The "trick" is finding the razor edge between too "straight" and too "round".  ABT - Always Be Turning in GS and SL.  Hope that  helps.

post #52 of 56
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Yes it does. Thank you
post #53 of 56
Quote:
 the biggest problem of many aspiring racers is charging DOWN the hill going STRAIGHT from gate to gate.  In both SL and GS, FINISHING the turn is very important.

And, in order to correctly finish a turn, it has to be correctly started.

 

Got race boots that fit just right?

 

Here are two small outfits I like for equipment:

http://www.artechski.com/

http://www.fuxiracingusa.com/

post #54 of 56
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Turning "uphill" is a bit of a misnomer.  That said, the biggest problem of many aspiring racers is charging DOWN the hill going STRAIGHT from gate to gate.  In both SL and GS, FINISHING the turn is very important.  It is more turning ACROSS the hill AFTER the gate before quickly transitioning to the next turn.  The "trick" is finding the razor edge between too "straight" and too "round".  ABT - Always Be Turning in GS and SL.  Hope that  helps.

Not turn uphill, but starting turn uphill from the gate.
Agree that one needs to complete their turns and almost always be turning.
post #55 of 56
I agree with the suit comments, it will save you up to 1 second on 25-30 sec nastar / GS course. But it all depends on speed and length of course. I've compared my times with and without a race suit in a 20 second Nastar with 25MPH speeds and I'm about 0.7 sec faster and can't really tell any difference in my speed while I'm racing. On the opposite side of the spectrum, In a 65 second Super G training course with 55-70 MPH speeds the suit is around 4-5 seconds faster and I can easily feel a HUGE difference speed and the timing of how fast the gates comes at you. So the bottom line is make your decision about a suit based on the length of course and the top speeds the course offers.
post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by TJ2016 View Post

I agree with the suit comments, it will save you up to 1 second on 25-30 sec nastar / GS course. But it all depends on speed and length of course. I've compared my times with and without a race suit in a 20 second Nastar with 25MPH speeds and I'm about 0.7 sec faster and can't really tell any difference in my speed while I'm racing. On the opposite side of the spectrum, In a 65 second Super G training course with 55-70 MPH speeds the suit is around 4-5 seconds faster and I can easily feel a HUGE difference speed and the timing of how fast the gates comes at you. So the bottom line is make your decision about a suit based on the length of course and the top speeds the course offers.

Also important:..train with the suit on, at least some of the time. It feels different, as the above poster has said.
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