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Nordica Enforcer 93 vs. Blizzard Brahma

post #1 of 13
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So I was in the ski shop the other day getting seasonal rentals for the kids and I started checking out skis on the wall and talking to the Store Mgr. We were discussing our quivers and he pointed me towards the Nordica E93's as a great addition to the quiver.

East coast skier. I currently own the 2015 Brahma which is my daily driver and the Rossi Soul 7's for deeper days or Western ski trips.

The shop guy said that the Enforcers and in fairness he only skied the 100's but was assuming the 93's to ski similar would be the ski I could have a lot of fun on skiing cruisers with the kids and charging a bit more on steeps, moguls, and trees. I like to ski it all but mostly search for soft snow if I can get it.

I went home excited thinking that I found the void in my quiver because if I had someone design a ski for me it would be the Brahma's easier going little brother. I love the Brahma and have a ton of fun on it. I'm 6'2, 190 and ski the 180. But the ski doesn't really come alive until you open it up. When I'm with the kids, it's more turns at slower speeds and truthfully while I can charge when I feel like it I think overall I'm more of a finesse skier. Plus the Brahmas tend to be a bit tiring when I'm lapping hard.

Flexing the E100's and the carbon Brahmas in the store, the E 100's definitely had a softer flex even though they both have two sheets of metal. I have read a review that said the 93 actually feels a little stiffer than the 100.

The other skiing I do is either solo or with my two high level skiing buddies. They do not ski Mach speed GS turns however when skiing groomers and we're mostly searching for powder in the trees. I can manage the Brahma in trees but don't love it, same for bumps.

Soooo, I'm considering:

Adding the E93 for most days and skiing the Brahmas on those hard pack, bullet proof days and keeping it on piste. The thought there would be do I go with 177 or 185? 177 with more maneuverability sounds really good to me but would it get squirrelly on me?

Selling the Brahmas and using the E93 for everything except the deepest days. The Soul 7's are fine for me I that regard as I rarely ever get a really deep day. Plus I just don't need that many skis for the amount of days I'm able to ski but we all know that makes too much sense. In this case I would definitely go 185.

Or, maybe the NRGY 90's are what I'm looking for? An easier tree and bump ski that's still good on the groomers?? Haven't skied these skis either. This is just based on what I read on the Internet.

Demoing is impossible.

Or maybe instead of being so long-winded I should just ask if the E93 and Brahma overlap too much?

Thanks for reading. Good to be thinking about skiing again.
post #2 of 13

I haven't skied the Enforcer, but I have skied the Brahma (which I really liked). My opinion would be to get the Enforcer in 100 width and 185 length. This ski gets universal acclaim and it would fit your quiver,  108, 100, 88.  I don't think it would be too wide for a non bullet proof daily driver and would give you a narrower option for hard days and a wider option for new snow days.

 

If you get the 93 Enforcer, sell the Brahma's, somewhat different feel, I believe, but too much overlap.

post #3 of 13

FWIW, Ski Magazine rated the Enforcer 93 the best eastern mixed snow ski.  The Brahma was 4th, so right up there.  I would say a lot of overlap between the two.  Doesn't seem to make much sense to have both.  

post #4 of 13
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Yep. Probably right. Never even considered the 100 but it does make sense.
post #5 of 13

I haven't skied the Enforcer, but I can attest that the Brahmas like a little speed to turn, not an ideal ski for cruising and meandering around with the kids when you need to be able to smear them a bit. 

 

Personally I'd be looking at the NRGy90, Motive 86, or anything in a 80 to 90mm ski that allows a smearing turn and still does OK on hardpack.

I'd also add a third ski that's 68 to 80mm and actually carves for the bulletproof days when the kids aren't around.  Used cheater race skis, Jr. Race skis and SL skis can all be had used for a reasonable price.  It would round out a east/midwest quiver nicely.

post #6 of 13

Suggest you read the BlisterGear review on the E93, then take buttocs' advice and either buy it and sell the Brahmas or add the E100 in 185. I'm 6/2 170 and the E100 in 177 is definitely too short (based on my one day on it) while the E93 in 185 is money (again one day on it)

post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post

Suggest you read the BlisterGear review on the E93, then take buttocs' advice and either buy it and sell the Brahmas or add the E100 in 185. I'm 6/2 170 and the E100 in 177 is definitely too short (based on my one day on it) while the E93 in 185 is money (again one day on it)

I did read it. Twice. And I read the E100 review twice as we'll. If I had to sum up those reviews, it would be both skis are a hit but the 93 is a little stiffer and not as fun at slower speeds. Both of which push the 93 closer to the Brahma.

I'm inclined to get the 100 rather than risk selling the Brahma (which I really like for some conditions) and get the 93 only to find out they are too similar.

Do you have any experience on the Brahma? Since you have skied the 93's are thought they were money.

And @trailtrimmer, the NRGY 90 still intrigues me for the reasons I listed above.
post #8 of 13

Sorry, I've not been on a Brahma.

I was perfectly happy on the E93 either bombing hard groomers on my own or taking them (just a bit) more relaxed with my wife -- she doesn't dawdle, tho!

And the E93 was excellent in fairly tight trees, very easy. Didn't go into any bumps on them.

 

If you really like the Brahma that much, then I think the Enforcer 100 in a 185 is an excellent choice in the gap between Brahma & Soul 7

(well, to be honest IMHO you should buy the E100, sell the Soul 7 and pick up a powder ski in +/-115 width -- but that's like, my opinion, man). 

 

I'm wondering why you think you need something between the Brahma and Soul 7 (which would seem like a pretty good ski for noodling around with the kids) but if you're not happy with a quiver of Brahma + Soul 7, then...

E93 + Soul 7 would seem to add a good bit more versatility than Brahma + Soul 7

or

Brahma + E100 + 115 makes a nice 3-ski quiver without the overlap of E100 + Soul 7

(All those :words: just to repeat: buttocs already pointed you where you want to go, so stop digging! :)

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post

Sorry, I've not been on a Brahma.
I was perfectly happy on the E93 either bombing hard groomers on my own or taking them (just a bit) more relaxed with my wife -- she doesn't dawdle, tho!
And the E93 was excellent in fairly tight trees, very easy. Didn't go into any bumps on them.

If you really like the Brahma that much, then I think the Enforcer 100 in a 185 is an excellent choice in the gap between Brahma & Soul 7
(well, to be honest IMHO you should buy the E100, sell the Soul 7 and pick up a powder ski in +/-115 width -- but that's like, my opinion, man). 

I'm wondering why you think you need something between the Brahma and Soul 7 (which would seem like a pretty good ski for noodling around with the kids) but if you're not happy with a quiver of Brahma + Soul 7, then...


E93 + Soul 7 would seem to add a good bit more versatility than Brahma + Soul 7
or
Brahma + E100 + 115 makes a nice 3-ski quiver without the overlap of E100 + Soul 7


(All those words.gif  just to repeat: buttocs already pointed you where you want to go, so stop digging! smile.gif

Wondering why I need something between the Brahma and Soul 7? Easy, so I can buy more skis! No seriously it is a good question. The Soul 7 is good for meandering with the kids. The Brahma is fun but needs speed to come alive. My kids are pretty good and my wife is very good so I can punch ahead on the Brahma if I feel like it or ski the Soul 7's with them.

I guess I'm looking for the best ski to ski with my two high level skiing friends. I'm a good skier but they're better and I can't really pick and choose my ski days so the 2 short trips I take with them a season the conditions are what they are. They take me into steep trees and more advanced terrain than I typically get to ski. I don't like the Brahma here. But most times the trees aren't in play and it's frozen hard pack. The Brahma is great there but my friends actually ski softer non-metal skis and make a lot of turns. I can do this with the Brahma but it's not as fun doing it for 3 days bell to bell.

Quite honestly I don't need that many skis. The 93 and Soul 7 would be plenty for the amount I get to ski. Now you have mer thinking about selling the Brahma...

Re: a 115 waist ski. I'll probably be retired before I get a day to ski conditions like that...
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by hespeler View Post

Wondering why I need something between the Brahma and Soul 7? Easy, so I can buy more skis! No seriously it is a good question. The Soul 7 is good for meandering with the kids. The Brahma is fun but needs speed to come alive. My kids are pretty good and my wife is very good so I can punch ahead on the Brahma if I feel like it or ski the Soul 7's with them.

I guess I'm looking for the best ski to ski with my two high level skiing friends. I'm a good skier but they're better and I can't really pick and choose my ski days so the 2 short trips I take with them a season the conditions are what they are. They take me into steep trees and more advanced terrain than I typically get to ski. I don't like the Brahma here. But most times the trees aren't in play and it's frozen hard pack. The Brahma is great there but my friends actually ski softer non-metal skis and make a lot of turns. I can do this with the Brahma but it's not as fun doing it for 3 days bell to bell.

Quite honestly I don't need that many skis. The 93 and Soul 7 would be plenty for the amount I get to ski. Now you have me thinking about selling the Brahma...

Re: a 115 waist ski. I'll probably be retired before I get a day to ski conditions like that...
post #11 of 13
I'll go counterfactual and argue that you seem to want a ski that's a touch more comfortable at moderate speeds, lighter inputs. Now I have not skied the Enforcer, but I have read I think every review written on it, including a few in other languages. What I bring away is that aggressive skiers love it, and it gets very strong reviews from strong skiers, but a significant number of reviews use words that signal a ski that is on the beefy side, likes speed. Keep in mind that phrases like "easy turning" may mean something different to a power skier than to a finesse skier. Or may mean "for a ski in this performance category," not "compared to all skis of this width."

And within those categories, skill set, weight, and habitual terrain come into play. So are you sure you want to replace one great ski with another that is aimed at the same type of skier? Are you sure you might not be in the market for another genre altogether?

Addendum: I know this is a gear forum, but all honesty, keeping up with your two friends is less about what ski you are on and more about taking some lessons. The Brahma is a fine ski, entirely suitable for higher intermediates through experts of your size. It's not holding you back. Getting a fairly similar ski will mainly help the industry. (Space to shoot the messenger.)
Edited by beyond - 9/14/16 at 2:15pm
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

I'll go counterfactual and argue that you seem to want a ski that's a touch more comfortable at moderate speeds, lighter inputs. Now I have not skied the Enforcer, but I have read I think every review written on it, including a few in other languages. What I bring away is that aggressive skiers love it, and it gets very strong reviews from strong skiers, but a significant number of reviews use words that signal a ski that is on the beefy side, likes speed. Keep in mind that phrases like "easy turning" may mean something different to a power skier than to a finesse skier. Or may mean "for a ski in this performance category," not "compared to all skis of this width."

And within those categories, skill set, weight, and habitual terrain come into play. So are you sure you want to replace one great ski with another that is aimed at the same type of skier? Are you sure you might not be in the market for another genre altogether?

Addendum: I know this is a gear forum, but all honesty, keeping up with your two friends is less about what ski you are on and more about taking some lessons. The Brahma is a fine ski, entirely suitable for higher intermediates through experts of your size. It's not holding you back. Getting a fairly similar ski will mainly help the industry. (Space to shoot the messenger.)

You hit the nail on the head.

Based on another member's suggestion, I researched and just bought the Volkl 90eight in 184. I got a great deal on last year's model. By all accounts this appears to be a lightweight, maneuverable, nimble ski that seems to do pretty well on hard pack. Probably better than my Soul 7's. Seems like it rounds out the quiver too. I can use the Brahma on really firm days, the S7's for powder and the Volkls for everything in between.

You're also spot on with the lessons and my friends. I'm not trying to buy a turn. Just hoping I can save a few drops of sweat on some lighter skis following them around and have a little more fun while skiing more slowly with the kids. It'll be money well spent IMO.

Admittedly, I got a little carried away with the new "it" ski. But I read the word, "beefy" too and couldn't help but think 6 of one, half dozen of another with the Brahma.

Great advice. Thanks!
post #13 of 13

I haven't skied the 93 yet, but IMO, the Enforcer 100 is a relatively easy ski to ski for intermediate-expert. I believe that its side cut radius and rocker profile make it easy turning. Although not wimpy in stiffness, neither it is super burly. Overall, its a very forgiving ski as evidenced that most size up instead of down. Its more about the TR then the length IMO. The only reason a 2" longer ski is harder to ski is because the TR is longer.  

 

Glad you found a ski you like, but sure you would have been happy on the enforcer 100 also.

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