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Comparing Volkl Kendo 2015 full camber to last year's Kastle MX88

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What is the difference on groomers in crud and powder?

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Is that two or three different conditions you are asking about?

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Is that two or three different conditions you are asking about?
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I bought my MX-88 exactly one day before my second pair of Kendo. I’ve retired my third pair of Kendo at the end of the last season. From a durability stand point, One can say the MX-88 lasted twice as long as the Kendos.

Mmmmmm, maybe I just didn’t get on the MX-88 as often. Wonder why.

 

On the groomers, the MX-88 is way better than the Kendo in terms of performance and feel. Pile some cut up crud and up to 6” of powder (doesn’t matter light or heavy), the MX-88 will still kill it. The MX is just a really good feeling ski for running groomers, east or west.

 

The Kendo is a pretty competent ski on groomers when compared to most 88s out there. But it’s no MX-88. For crud and powder that does not have a smooth under layer, think deeper spring time crud and/or a few inches of new snow on top of ungroomed stuff, the Kendo is a much better bet.

 

The Kendo will go where you point them, even when they are not happy about it. The MX – not so much.

 

Basically, if you can engage the full edge of the MX-88 on a decently smooth layer (even if it’s underneath some crap), it will be the better feeling ski. The Kendo will be the better choice in most other conditions. Trees and bumps included.  

 

For fresh powder, the MX is stiffer and planky which tends to sink a bit more. The Kendo is a better floater and can handle 8” of fresh Utah snow with no issue. 

 

Ahhhh, I got it, maybe I should ski more groomers for the MX-88. Decisions, decisions. :rolleyes   

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Kendo went from full camber to an early rise tip for the 2013 version.  As a further evolution this year's version has early rise tip and tail, with camber underfoot.

 

I've demoed them separately on a couple of occasions, and also back-to-back on two occasions.  The full-camber version was more directly comparable to the MX88 (as Kastle has avoided the early rise tip treatment).  Both are all mountain skis with a hard snow bias.  The Kendo is lighter in feel and a bit more lively.  That's been my consistent takeaway after demoing both skis.  I prefer the MX88, but that's just me, and your impression may well be different.

 

Introducing an early rise tip took away a bit of the Kendo's immediate 'grab' on turn in when skiing the groomers, but also made it a more versatile ski on a cruddy groomer, in bumps and off piste.  I haven't yet tried this year's version, although a friend was so impressed this year he trotted into the store and bought one straight away after the demo.

 

At 89mm underfoot the Kendo originally started out life as a mid-fat, but has become the narrow part of a two ski quiver as ski widths have ballooned in the last six or so years.  A two-ski quiver might now be a Kendo and a 100eight (if not wider).

 

Best of luck.

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I bought my MX-88 exactly one day before my second pair of Kendo. I’ve retired my third pair of Kendo at the end of the last season. From a durability stand point, One can say the MX-88 lasted twice as long as the Kendos.

Mmmmmm, maybe I just didn’t get on the MX-88 as often. Wonder why.

 

On the groomers, the MX-88 is way better than the Kendo in terms of performance and feel. Pile some cut up crud and up to 6” of powder (doesn’t matter light or heavy), the MX-88 will still kill it. The MX is just a really good feeling ski for running groomers, east or west.

 

The Kendo is a pretty competent ski on groomers when compared to most 88s out there. But it’s no MX-88. For crud and powder that does not have a smooth under layer, think deeper spring time crud and/or a few inches of new snow on top of ungroomed stuff, the Kendo is a much better bet.

 

The Kendo will go where you point them, even when they are not happy about it. The MX – not so much.

 

Basically, if you can engage the full edge of the MX-88 on a decently smooth layer (even if it’s underneath some crap), it will be the better feeling ski. The Kendo will be the better choice in most other conditions. Trees and bumps included.  

 

For fresh powder, the MX is stiffer and planky which tends to sink a bit more. The Kendo is a better floater and can handle 8” of fresh Utah snow with no issue. 

 

Ahhhh, I got it, maybe I should ski more groomers for the MX-88. Decisions, decisions. :rolleyes   

So my take on your post is if I want a ski more biased to crud the Volkl is better then the MX 88? Which Volkl?

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For eastern crud - Kendo.

Western crud -  Mantra. 

Super nasty sun bake PNW crud - 100Eight and the One..

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Got it, thanks

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I'll have to agree with the post above. Surprised the 100eight is mentioned. That is my plan for a replacement for my 2010 Gotama's. That 100eight was so light and lively. Like a Kendo on steroids...

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You're gonna be paying a lot more money for the Kästle's to notice a very subtle performance upgrade... the Kendo I've skied and does well in powder, also the MX88 should charge a little harder on groomers but in crud and pow the Kendo'a should float better due to its larger shovel
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The 100Eight is a good successor to the Goat. Ran a pair of 186 cm Goat for a few year as my power board. Replaced it with the One.

One of the weakness of both the Goat and the One is the poor shock absorption qualities on compacted fresh wet crud usually found on the run out groomers. The 100Eight cleaned that up quite a bit.

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