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2nd/3rd Ski in Quiver Bonafide Vs Cochise

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hey Guys,

 

First time poster,  I grew up in Australia and have since skied many resorts around the world and spend all my savings on ski trips as Australia has average snow at best. I currently own a pair of Fischer SL 165 which I have a lot fun with on the groomers, as well as a pair of Fischer GS 183 that I don't use as much.These skis are great but I plan on spending a lot of time in Japan this upcoming season and need a ski more suitable. Im a big fan of Blizzard skis as I demo'd the Bonafides last season and had a great time on them as well as renting a pair of Bodacious for a pow day, which i loved also. The 3rd ski I will add to my quiver will either be the Bones or the Cochise. As I said before I loved the Bones because of the versatility of still being able to rip a groomer at the end of my trail, but am concerned they wont be sufficient for the deeper stuff of Japan, therefore the extra width of the Cochise under foot is enticing.

 

Would like to get someone else's opinion and/or adivce on the matter

 

Thank you!

post #2 of 11

Cochise or even the Gunsmokes for Japan.

post #3 of 11

I have three seasons of the first generation zero camber Cochise. Check Blister Gear for exhaustive reviews of subsequent versions of the Cochise. (From what I read they have only gotten better).

 

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2015-2016-blizzard-cochise

 

Long story short they are the best, most versatile skis I have owned in 30 years. Face shots to crud to groomers they do it all. My version does have a couple of idiosyncrasies -

-They carve like crazy but big arcs at substantial, super stable speed. Zero camber means no pop from turn to turn so you just 'crank'em and bank'em'

-Due to no camber they turn on a proverbial dime if you swivel from the knees down. No old school jump and grunt required.

 

As you might expect, boilerplate ice isn't their friend. The torsional rigidity will get you down safely but they aren't ice skates

 

I gather Australian snow can be sloppy and tends toward chowder on occasion and the Cochise will also excel in those conditions.

I hope that helps

post #4 of 11

Bodacious, you're going to Japan man make it count. You already have skis for Australia conditions.

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your help guys, leaning towards Cochise at the moment. As much as I would like to get a pair of Bodacious, it may just be too big for me. My other concern was with the bindings, I really like the look and reviews of the Rossi FKS 140. Has anyone had a problem with them before?. I usually have my DIN at about 10-11
post #6 of 11
If these skis are gonna be powder oriented
Get something with an easier heel step in such as Tyrolia Attack 16 or Salomon STH 16

I don't like messing around when I pop out on a powder day
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Skeek10 View Post
 

Hey Guys,

 

First time poster,  I grew up in Australia and have since skied many resorts around the world and spend all my savings on ski trips as Australia has average snow at best. I currently own a pair of Fischer SL 165 which I have a lot fun with on the groomers, as well as a pair of Fischer GS 183 that I don't use as much.These skis are great but I plan on spending a lot of time in Japan this upcoming season and need a ski more suitable. Im a big fan of Blizzard skis as I demo'd the Bonafides last season and had a great time on them as well as renting a pair of Bodacious for a pow day, which i loved also. The 3rd ski I will add to my quiver will either be the Bones or the Cochise. As I said before I loved the Bones because of the versatility of still being able to rip a groomer at the end of my trail, but am concerned they wont be sufficient for the deeper stuff of Japan, therefore the extra width of the Cochise under foot is enticing.

 

Would like to get someone else's opinion and/or adivce on the matter

 

Thank you!

I have the Cochise, Bonafide and Bodacious.  I am an advanced/expert 59 year old 245 pound  5'9" ex ski patrol.  The order of my preference is Cochise, Bodacious, Bonafide.  I find that the Bonafide is too weak for me.  I can do everything better on the Cochise.  I like the Bodacious but have not skied it enough to truthfully evaluate it.  I have only skied the Bones 4 or 5 times which is enough to know I am not very big on them.  I am mainly a cruiser but can ski the whole mountain.  I feel the Cochise in 177 is best overall for me and my style.

post #8 of 11
It depends what you're going to do in Japan and how your group skis. IMHO if you're paying for a trip you should get a ski specifically for those conditions. Japan involves light, deep snow and flatter sections than where I normally ski. Then if you go into the trees there will be times when you have to fight bamboo or get across flats to make it back to a lift.

While the Cochise will be fine, it is heavy, performs best at 40mph+ and doesn't floats more like a 100mm ski due to its flat bottom and relatively short and low rocker. It is however good for tracked out chop which you find in most resorts around the piste. So you could make your life easier by going for something wider, say over 110mm and with more rocker so that it floats and swivels more easily.

I have 185cm Cochise, and did not take them to Japan for this reason. Instead Volkl 2s were cheap as they are dedicated pow skis which are not so good on hard pack, so few people buy them unless they are into having 5 skis. But for Japan, 124mm and huge rocker mean that you can ride slowly through overgrown trees, stop and start in 2m of weightless and flat pow while waiting for snowboarders who are digging themselves out... Others have also had good results with other similar skis so read some reviews and take your pick.
post #9 of 11

I have Cochise - a GREAT ski. I like them much more than the 'bones. In Australia these are my go to ski for everything - except ice (where I have some Kendo's) and backcountry where of course I have different binding setup on light skis. They power through crud, float over te fresh & work surprisingly well in very firm snow and handle just fine in the bumps (as they ski a bit short). I ski fast and aggressively, and these are fantastic skis and remain stable at speed - which was quite unexpected.

 

For Japan you will find the Cochise work really well, as much of the resort snow will get tracked out pretty quickly, and if skiing Honshu the snow is a bit heavier than Hokkaido as well. Unless you are taking two pair of skis, you want something versatile so you can ski on the piste as well as in the trees, and the Cochise is certainly that. However if you are skiing Hokkaido then you might want to consider a wider ski as well for fresh pow days - plenty to chose from. I particularly like the K2 Petitor. You could buy the Cochise & rent something wider once there.

post #10 of 11

I skied Hokkaido for 2 weeks last year and I used my 117mm underfoot Atomic Automatics every day I spent inbounds. I wouldn't want to be on anything narrower than that, and some days I wish I had an even wider ski. I've skied the Bones before and they were pretty good, but I wouldn't bring them to Japan. The Cochise would be a better choice out of the skis that you mentioned, but a true powder ski would be the best choice.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your help, I decided to go with a more powder orientated ski. I got a pair of Armada JJs dirt cheap second hand in really good condition. The Cochise will have to wait 😊
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