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Height: 5'8" Weight: 140lbs

 

I live in the upper state of CT and frequently take trips up North to killington, Jay peak, Sugarloaf, Stowe, Bolton Valley as well as the less than occasional trip out west. I'm an aggressive skier who is trying to find the right ski for the right conditions.

 

I have k2 Iron Maidens 176 and 2015 Line Sir Francis Bacons 184. I love the damp feel and heaviness of the Iron Maidens, they seem to be able to plow through anything and hold up well in the bumps. Obviously, they do not float like the SFB's but they outperform them in every other category and feel much more solid underfoot.

 

Don't get me wrong, the SFB's are fun and agile but I frequently find myself having to hit the breaks because they feel like they'll washout at high speeds. Just too jittery and turny for my liking.

 

So I'm looking for a Rocker Camber ski between 108mm to 115mm for Northeast and West skiing that is sturdy and damp like the Iron Maidens. I want a ski that I know I'll PROGRESS on, something that I can straight-line sections and be confident in doing so. A shorter turn radius would be better than a longer one, somewhere between 18-25, nothing larger.

 

I have narrowed it down to a few skis, any INPUT would greatly be appreciated! If anyone has any more suggestions on other skis post them below.



ON3P Wrenegade 108

 

ON3P Jeffery 

 

Supernatural 115

 

The Jeffery would be the softest of all three skis, correct, but it can ski switch and is a full twin. The Wrenegade is damp and directional but supposedly is great for charging and I really want to hear more about the Supernaturals, preferably the 115. I know they have metal in them and hold up well at speeds, not sure if they are directional or a full twin. I'm leaning towards the Wren.

post #2 of 20

I haven't been on the On3p's, but I do know if you are looking at Line for a damp charger you want the Supernatural 108, the 2012 influence 105, or the 2013/2014 Influence 115. The influence is the ski Line redesigned and called the supernatural.

 

I own both the Influences I've listed and the Supernatural 108 will be my next purchase. The 105 is my daily driver, it is a straightline charger pure and simple. The most stable ski I've ever been on going balls to the wall with the best landings, but it's not playful The Influence 115 is regarded as a better ski than the Supernatural 115 and has a bit of a cult following. You can read all the glowing reviews of it online, it charges, smooth as silk in pow, it's a big mountain machine and surprisingly playful. Just make sure you're looking at the 2013 or 2014 version.

 

The supernatural 108 is supposed to be that perfect blend of playfulness and charger, I've only had a couple runs on them but I really liked them.

 

You can also check out Armada Norwalk's which I feel are criminally underrated. Blizzard also has a number of skis that could work for you.

 

For what it's worth I am 5'10, 140lbs expert skier out of Revelstoke.

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Yeah, I was leaning towards the 108 supernaturals but I was looking for something with a little wider waist. I have been trying to look for a 2013/2014 115 influence but I can't seem to find anymore.

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post #5 of 20
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Yeah, I was leaning towards the 108 supernaturals but I was looking for something with a little wider waist. I have been trying to look for a 2013/2014 115 influence but I can't seem to find anymore.

 

Ok I get it, you want the width because this will be your powder stick as well. So I would describe most of the skis I mentioned as directional, but the Influence 115 has a surprising amount of turn shapes in powder. They can be found, there's some on ebay.

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So that's the 2012 Influence 105, it has a more traditional tail than the Influence 115 with just enough tail twin to land switch. This is my daily driver for the last 2 years, if you like to just point the skis down hill and go it's amazing. It is very directional though and only good in up to 8 inches of pow, I think you would prefer the 115 because of it's pow slaying ability.

 

So I'd say Influence 115, something like the wrenegade or start looking at blizzard skis. You can also check out 4frnt kye, Nordica Helldorado, Moment Bibby.


Edited by btbam - 8/29/16 at 1:35pm
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So that's the 2012 Influence 105, it has a more traditional tail than the Influence 115 with just enough tail twin to land switch. This is my daily driver for the last 2 years, if you like to just point the skis down hill and go it's amazing. It is very directional though and only good in up to 8 inches of pow, I think you would prefer the 115 because of it's pow slaying ability.

 

So I'd say Influence 115, something like the wrenegade or start looking at blizzard skis. You can also check out 4frnt kye, Nordica Helldorado, Moment Bibby.


Yeah, the Helldorado is out, I demoed the Kye a while back found them pretty sturdy. The moment Bibby has always been on my watch list. Regarding the 2012 Influence 115 and the 2013/2104 influence 115, what is the main difference? I've heard the newer Influence is less damp and softer and that it is comparable to the supernatural 115.

 

I understand that the new influence's profile is different. 

 
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Yeah, I'll probably stick to the newer version. The 2011 influences are like 10lbs. Just got to find a pair of cheap influences.  

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Yeah, the Helldorado is out, I demoed the Kye a while back found them pretty sturdy. The moment Bibby has always been on my watch list. Regarding the 2012 Influence 115 and the 2013/2104 influence 115, what is the main difference? I've heard the newer Influence is less damp and softer and that it is comparable to the supernatural 115.

 

I understand that the new influence's profile is different. 

 

The 2012 Influence 115 is just a wider version of the 2012 Influence 105 I described. It is very directional, it has a very wide tip shovel and the metal matrix is built right onto the topsheet. You'll know it's a 2012 because you will see the metal matrix sticking out of the top. Basically the 2012 wasn't very good in powder and very 1 dimensional, which is fine if it's a 105 waisted ski for every day riding, but not when you are trying to sell a 115 waisted ski, it needs to be good in powder.

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Yeah, I'll probably stick to the newer version. The 2011 influences are like 10lbs. Just got to find a pair of cheap influences.  

 

Yeah and that, they're heavy. That doesn't bother me much, line is always good about making skis feel lighter than they are. I'd say if I find a cheap pair I'll let you know, but I'll probably buy them lmao.. It's pretty crazy that the Supernatural 115's are already half the price of the Influences, I mean really the only real difference is that elastomer side wall, which I'm told just takes some of the feels out of the ski.

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The 2012 Influence 115 is just a wider version of the 2012 Influence 105 I described. It is very directional, it has a very wide tip shovel and the metal matrix is built right onto the topsheet. You'll know it's a 2012 because you will see the metal matrix sticking out of the top. Basically the 2012 wasn't very good in powder and very 1 dimensional, which is fine if it's a 105 waisted ski for every day riding, but not when you are trying to sell a 115 waisted ski, it needs to be good in powder.


Okay, so this is the ski you're referring to that doesn't have the versatility of the newer version?: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-2012-line-influence-115-186cm

 

And this would be the newer, less damp, more playful version: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2012-2013-line-influence-115

 

Both would be the descendants of the Superntural 115's.

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And what size would be best for my weight and height? The 186 or 179? I ski the 184 bacons but I don't know if the 186 is true to size and it definitely will feel like a bigger ski.

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And what size would be best for my weight and height? The 186 or 179? I ski the 184 bacons but I don't know if the 186 is true to size and it definitely will feel like a bigger ski.


I just sold my 184 bacons and they ski very short, the 2013 Influence 115 isn't true to size but it doesn't ski as short as the Bacon's. You mentioned wanting to progress, I think the 186 gives you the most opportunity to do that. If you are a strong skier and overpower your bacon's easily go for the 186, no doubt. If you feel like your Bacon's are plenty of length go for the 179.

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I just sold my 184 bacons and they ski very short, the 2013 Influence 115 isn't true to size but it doesn't ski as short as the Bacon's. You mentioned wanting to progress, I think the 186 gives you the most opportunity to do that. If you are a strong skier and overpower your bacon's easily go for the 186, no doubt. If you feel like your Bacon's are plenty of length go for the 179.


I was also thinking of selling my 184 Bacons, they are a very fun, slgihtly playful ski but they do not like crud or fast speeds. Always have to put them on edge or else the tips get deflected. I kept them though or will keep them because they're so versatile but anyway I made the decision to get the influence in 186 length. I think it will suit me well in the long run and I'll be able to progress.

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Fuck me, all the 186 lengths are gone. I'm finding 179cm lengths fro 250 on some weird sites but everyone grabs the 186's.


Edited by coasthafron33 - 8/29/16 at 5:45pm
post #16 of 20

179 would be heaps long enough for a little bloke like yourself.

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I was also thinking of selling my 184 Bacons, they are a very fun, slgihtly playful ski but they do not like crud or fast speeds. Always have to put them on edge or else the tips get deflected. I kept them though or will keep them because they're so versatile but anyway I made the decision to get the influence in 186 length. I think it will suit me well in the long run and I'll be able to progress.

Don't get me wrong, my bacon's were by far the hardest to part with of any skis I've owned. I think of them more like surf boards than skis and have had the best ski days of my life on them, but they are very very situation specific. I had the 108 width, probably buy another pair if they go back to that width. For now they've been replaced by Automatic 117's.

 

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Fuck me, all the 186 lengths are gone. I'm finding 179cm lengths fro 250 on some weird sites but everyone grabs the 186's.

I know there's some that come with bindings on ebay, great bindings too. But over $500.

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Don't get me wrong, my bacon's were by far the hardest to part with of any skis I've owned. I think of them more like surf boards than skis and have had the best ski days of my life on them, but they are very very situation specific. I had the 108 width, probably buy another pair if they go back to that width. For now they've been replaced by Automatic 117's.

 

I know there's some that come with bindings on ebay, great bindings too. But over $500.


Nice, I have the 108 version as well. It's a great ski but like you said despite what Line says it is very situation specific. And you mentioned that the only difference between the Supernatural 115 and the Influence 115 is the sidewalls. Is this correct? What would cause such a cult following for the Influences but not the Supernaturals if they are virtuously the same ski. From what I gather, they have the same dimensions and same core.

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Nice, I have the 108 version as well. It's a great ski but like you said despite what Line says it is very situation specific. And you mentioned that the only difference between the Supernatural 115 and the Influence 115 is the sidewalls. Is this correct? What would cause such a cult following for the Influences but not the Supernaturals if they are virtuously the same ski. From what I gather, they have the same dimensions and same core.


Honestly bro I'm not sure, I wonder the same thing I even had a thread on here last winter trying to sort all this out with no such luck. It's the same ski except for that sidewall.  I know that sidewall takes some of the lively feel out of the ski, I've heard that from several people but that is the only complaint I've heard. I want to try them myself but nobody carries anything good to demo here.

 

But I mean, a 2015 Supernatural 115 is easy to find, looks great and is very reasonably priced...

post #20 of 20

Also I can give you a rough calculation that an Influence or supernatural 115 will ski 3 cms shorter.

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