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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

40 yo, 5'11'' 190lbs; level 7+ or so.

Have been skiing Dynastar Legend Sultan 85 in 178 for past 6 years (although, was 206lbs at the time when I got those).

Skiing mainly in Pacific Northwest - home mountain is Stevens pass, then Whistler, may venture out to Big White, etc.

Pushing more and more off-piste, getting into trees/steeper terrain and tempted to move on to something with rocker-camber.

 

Looking for guidance on what to look for and in what lengths, etc.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 11

We are of a similar build and weight and I had Sultans years ago (I wasn't a big fan after loving my previous Mythic Riders).  Anyways, the Sultans were replaced with a ski that was 94 underfoot that I liked a lot more and now my two skis that are similar are Elan Amphibio 88 xti's and a pair of Atomic Vantage 100 cti's.

For where you ski, I would look in the Atomics. Really a great ski with decent float, very good edge grip and with the bit of tip rocker, are super easy to turn. Read the reviews on them. I think they are a good call for you.

Edit to add, I bought the 180's but could easily ski the 187 if I didn't want to be able to make fast turns.

post #3 of 11

Hi there - my SO and I ski in Alberta and Interior BC, and we both spent some time demo-ing the Nordica lines last year and were super impressed. We both demoed the Nordica NRGY 100 and the NRGY 107 and both loved them. They were really great in a variety of conditions, from groomers to steeps and powder. They were playful and really responsive - I think they are a great ski when you are learning bumps and trees. We also tried the Nordica Enforcer/Santa Anas and we both were really big fans of that ski too. They have a more all mountain feel (even though they are 100 underfoot) but they were really fun - I would say that they are 'charge-y' and like an aggressive handler, but actually they feel really accessible for an intermediate-advanced skier. They also have a pretty small turning radius - BF took Enforcer and I took the Santa Ana into trees and we loved them in the trees. I'm 5'7" and liked a 170 in the Santa Ana and a 177 in the NRGYs. SO is similar to your stats - he's 6'0" and 200 lbs and liked 185 in both. We actually both liked the Nordicas so much that we thought either of these skis would make a perfect western one-ski quiver. If you have a chance - definitely demo!

post #4 of 11

Might be worth demoing the Kastle FX 95 in a 189.  I would definitely demo both the HP and non HP.  I personally like the non HP (no metal).   I would also try it out on both groomed and off piste.  The 181 is probably a bit short for you but might also be worth demoing.  I tried various combinations between the 173 and 181.  For my size, the 181 off piste is great but seems a bit long on the groomed front side. 

post #5 of 11

The 4th post before a mention of Kastle...must be some kind of a record

post #6 of 11

I really enjoyed Blizzard Brahma rental skis this past season.  173cm length.  I enjoy bumps and making short turns.

 

I am 6'0", 210 lbs.  Advanced skier.  I would have tried 180 if they had them in stock.  I skied them in April at Whistler.

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Thread Starter 

Reviving the thread - been demoing some skis, pretty confused, need help :D

Unfortunately, I can't compare everything apples to apples, conditions have been varying widely here in PNW.

 

So:

 

1st pair demoed: Atomic Vantage 100CTI - 180cm

Fresh snow day, pretty dry too, which is not typical here in PNW.

 

Loved them off-piste, steeps, moguls. Have never been so confident skiing moguled doubles before - they turn so easy it feels like cheating (vs. my full-cambered Sultans anyway). That said - snow was pretty good.

Did not like: they were pretty chattery on cruddy groomers, especially at speed. The tips were just all over the place. Serviceable, but definitely missing that charger feeling. Wouldn't set the edge, really.

 

 

2nd pair. Blizzard Bonafide, 180cm

Same day as above (second half of the day). Different terrain, no doubles, just some bumps here and there and on-piste.

Was pretty tired by then, so it could be affecting the impression.

 

A lot more stable,  no speed limit on piste. Somewhat harder to turn in loose stuff and moguls, releasing tails not as effortless and the Vantage. Feels like lots more work to ski.

 

3rd pair. Nordica Enforcer, 185cm.

6 inches of tracked snow on top of frozen layer. Fairly steep terrain, some open, some trees. Bumps. Scrapy bumps and less scrapy bumps.

 

In steeper terrain, I felt behind the ski a lot - finishing turns was a problem. Then again, it could be me in that terrain, not the ski.

Lots of attention needed to drive them, felt long (my current ski is 178, but it's a full-camber ski). Enforcers next size down is 177 and I thought that with a rocker, it would be too short.

Staying forward was work. In tighter trees they were pretty long to deal with. 

In less steep though, they felt great, they did bumps and chop just fine, and they had no speed limit like Vantage did.

Somehow, despite falling behind on them, I liked their feel in everything but the steep, cruddy, chopped up snow with frozen layer underneath.

 

The main question I have I guess - does it make sense to try 177s, and could the skies overpowering me be an issue of length?

I'm 5'11', 190lbs.

 

not sure what specific advise am I looking for - some thoughts, I guess.

post #8 of 11

Finding a ski that will work well everywhere - groomers at speed, bumps. trees, powder, etc. is just about impossible.  Any ski will be good at some things and not so good at others.  The Brahma might have fit you better than the Bonafide did.  Worth a demo.  I'm surprised you didn't like the Enforcer more, as on paper it looks like a great fit.  It may be the length, but as you said, while it was longer than your current skis, the Enforcer is rockered and your current skis are not.  Was this the 100 or the 93?

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by TexSkier View Post
 

I really enjoyed Blizzard Brahma rental skis this past season.  173cm length.  I enjoy bumps and making short turns.

 

I am 6'0", 210 lbs.  Advanced skier.  I would have tried 180 if they had them in stock.  I skied them in April at Whistler.


I have 40/50 lbs on the OP and TexSkier and I second the nod for the Brahma.  The only Caveat is to default to the shorter length.  The 187's do a lot of things well but i wish I would have bought the 180's as i feel they would have beed more versatile.

post #10 of 11

Just to update, I have rented the 2016/17 Brahma for 9 days now at 180 length.  I prefer it to the 173.  It is not quite as good in the bumps, but still fine.  The increased stability at speed and groomer performance is much nicer.  Also, better float in powder with the extra length, and very easy to build and preserve speed on flats to reduce poling.

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by mbabayan View Post
 

Reviving the thread - been demoing some skis, pretty confused, need help :D

Unfortunately, I can't compare everything apples to apples, conditions have been varying widely here in PNW.

 

So:

 

1st pair demoed: Atomic Vantage 100CTI - 180cm

Fresh snow day, pretty dry too, which is not typical here in PNW.

 

Loved them off-piste, steeps, moguls. Have never been so confident skiing moguled doubles before - they turn so easy it feels like cheating (vs. my full-cambered Sultans anyway). That said - snow was pretty good.

Did not like: they were pretty chattery on cruddy groomers, especially at speed. The tips were just all over the place. Serviceable, but definitely missing that charger feeling. Wouldn't set the edge, really.

 

The main question I have I guess - does it make sense to try 177s, and could the skies overpowering me be an issue of length?

I'm 5'11', 190lbs.

 

not sure what specific advise am I looking for - some thoughts, I guess.

Reading your post, it seems like the skis may have needed a tune, as my pair have super grippy edge hold.  I can ski as fast as most anyone I have ever skied with on piste and did not find the tip vibrating to create any issues for me (who watches their tips anyways??)  but as this is a lighter ski, I would not call it a crud blaster, but it works for me, as I don't ski crud real fast anyways.  As I originally posted, at your height and weight the 180's would be great for you and as I like longer skis, the 187 would not scare me off on the 100cti.  The Nordica's may actually measure longer than 185 (188) as I have 185 Nordica Vagabonds that are more like 188.  If that is the case, then the 177 may be more up your alley with the Enforcer.

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