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Where are the whole sizes?

post #1 of 7
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So when I went to what in my area passes for a boot fitting (I live in Detroit. There's literally one ski shop, and their selection is as big as you'd expect by this time of year, being 50+ miles from the nearest ski hill), I found that I'm a snug, but comfortable (not bedroom slipper comfy, genuinely snug, but not tight, and no pressure points) 29.0.

 

Well, seeing as they only had 2 models of boot in my size until this year's stock comes in, I decided to poke around online to find a decent price on the boots I liked out of their *cough* vast selection - the Technica Cochise 100 or 110 (ideally the 110, but they had none in stock).

 

What I'm seeing is most online stores I've found (75% or more of them) don't have the 29.0 whole-size, and several of them don't seem to stock whole sizes, at all.  Is this just an issue of being so late in the old product cycle that there's no stock left, or is this a common thing?

 

I've seen some great prices on these boots online, but only in 28.5 or 29.5 near my size...

 

That said, since the shop is very nice, but not necessarily super knowledgeable, I'm curious.  How tight should the boot (with liner) be when I purchase, knowing that the liner is going to shape itself to my foot a bit as I ski?  If the ski boot equivalent of a brannock sizer for ski boots said 29.0, is 28.5 going to be a massive problem, seeing that it's what...5mm difference?

 

On a side note: I know the correct answer is "go get a real boot sizing", where I have a larger selection to try out, and in multiple sizes, but for anyone that wants to guide me down that path, understand that I'd love to, but I'd literally spend twice as much on travel and lodging to get anywhere I can actually do that, than I would on boots. It's not going to happen. So, having read the articles here and elsewhere on sizing and proper boot fit, and watched the relevant youtube videos, whatever boot I buy is going to be something I tried on at either the ski shop I went to, or the REI a few miles from my house, whether I buy it there or online.

post #2 of 7

There is no such thing a s a 'Half Size' in ski boots. This is important to understand, the shell/liner/footbed is the same whether the boot box and the sticker on the DIN sole says '29' or '29.5'. They are the exact same thing. They really, honestly, are. ANYONE who tells you differently is LYING or an IDIOT. Don't buy things from liars or the mentally infirm, it never ends well. SO- to recap, a 'size 29' (in a given ski boot model, not all '29' boots are even close to the same when you change brands and/or models) has the same sole length as a 'size 29.5', it also has the exact same interior volume and dimensions as a '29' and the same liner as the '29'... it's the exact same thing. Why do this? Well, people are stupid. Stupid people want what they want, and trying to explain reality to them is not worth the effort and just plain DOES NOT WORK... so it's easier to just go with the flow.

 

"You want a half size bigger?"

"Here you go, see the sticker says '.5' so it's totally bigger by half!". 

 

Smart, professional stores do not bother to order boots in whole and half sizes, because it leads to issues as inventory gets sold.

 

"this feels OK, but last time I was here I tried the half size bigger... can I try that again, just so I know?"

<walk to the back shop, pull the stickers off the same boot the customer was just wearing and stick it on the heater stack for a minute or two>

"how come this one doesn't have a size sticker on it?"

"the half sizes don't come with stickers, that's how you know it's a half size... try it on."

"Ooooh, it's nice and warm! I'll take this one, it feels way better. See, I told you I needed an eleven and a half!"

 

Seriously, I'd rather try to teach a golden retriever calculus than try to convince someone that the sticker on the box is pretty much meaningless when it comes to getting the correct ski boot.

post #3 of 7

what Whiteroom said......Atomic took it one stage further and suppoly most of thier boots with a sticker which says 29.0/29.5  there is a 1mm thick shim in the box if you want to kake it feel a little tighter....... but also wait till you can get to a decent fitter EVEN IF IT MEANS TRAVELLING A DISTANCE

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Originally Posted by CEM View Post

wait till you can get to a decent fitter EVEN IF IT MEANS TRAVELLING A DISTANCE

 

It would be nice to have the sort of financial liquidity where this was a possibility, but it isn't, period, full stop.  It is impossible for most people living in the midwest to justify (and in many cases afford) spending more than the cost of the boots to fly some place good, book a hotel, get a rental car, and cover gas and meals, than they would for the boots they're doing it for. I realize that's the best solution, but it just isn't realistic to expect it out of people. Even the cheapest flights and hotel I found on an Orbitz search were a hundred dollars more expensive than the boots would be.

 

I do appreciate the answers with regards to the sizing though, and it's good to know Atomic includes a shim.  Are there other manufacturers that do that as well, or would it be up to the shop to provide a spoiler or something similar to improve the fit?

post #5 of 7

any shop should have some shims, but adding a shim to make a new boot fit better, might be a sign to keep looking?

 

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

this might help

post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by SkaBob View Post
 

 

It would be nice to have the sort of financial liquidity where this was a possibility, but it isn't, period, full stop.  It is impossible for most people living in the midwest to justify (and in many cases afford) spending more than the cost of the boots to fly some place good, book a hotel, get a rental car, and cover gas and meals, than they would for the boots they're doing it for. I realize that's the best solution, but it just isn't realistic to expect it out of people. Even the cheapest flights and hotel I found on an Orbitz search were a hundred dollars more expensive than the boots would be.

 

I do appreciate the answers with regards to the sizing though, and it's good to know Atomic includes a shim.  Are there other manufacturers that do that as well, or would it be up to the shop to provide a spoiler or something similar to improve the fit?

 

 

well it looks as if you have had the decision made, the shim is a very nice placebo effect which is why they include it, it gives the non boot fitting stores something to talk about, the reason it is included is that the big box stores insisted on it as they are the only ones who used to stock the .0 and .5 boots

 

i will go back to your very first post where your description of the boot you tried was "snug but not tight"  well based on that at very least there is too much volume in there, but possibly it is too big in length also..... whilst i don't want my customer in pain i would expect a description of very very tight from someone trying a boot on in store, if it isn't i know they will be rattling around in the boot after a week or two.... nobody suggested booking a separate trip, tag a day onto your vacation, or loose a 1/2 day skiing at the start and get this right, you have said that it is the right thing to do, you know it is the right thing to do yet you are trying to justify to me why it is not the right thing to do.

 

 

on that note i will sign off

 if you do go down the internet route then that is fine by me, but remember it may cost you a lot more in the long run, all fitters charge to work on product they didn't supply our charge to even look at a ski boot not bought from us is around 120$ + the footbeds 

post #7 of 7

So you only ski Michigan?

 

Everything these guys have said is 100% on the money.

 

I'll throw in a few other general things.  Typically to actually be a 29 you would be 6'4" or so.  Are you a measured Mondo 29 complete with proper shell fit?  Or did someone measure your foot in U.S. size and convert?

 

It seems to me most guys I measure as a 29 have an average width foot and not a big wide one.  Most boots in a 100 flex are wide, which if I correct about your foot width would make the 100 you are ocnsidering too large for you even if the length is correct.

  

I'll await your answers and in the meantime you could spend some time in the boot fit area here reading on how to execute the fit process..

 

There is also some  information at Lous.ca as well.

 

Lou

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