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post #61 of 288
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You are going to be patrol at Wolf this season?  That is awesome, congrats!  I plan to get a day or two up there and hopefully meet up with Jeff again this season. 

 

 

I am not very stoked for the lift for some reason.  I guess once I see how it changes the scene up there I will feel better about it.  I am having visions of full capacity days already though.

 

I wish! I got stationed in Las Vegas so I will be at Lee Canyon.    

post #62 of 288
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I understand your skepticism and improvements like this are going to make Snowbowl more popular no doubt. But change happens and for me, well I can't stand riding the Agassiz chair for less than ideal conditions any longer. there are so many days I won't go skiing because the snow isn't that great and I don't want to sit on that old super slow thing. God I hate that chair.

 

 

The amount of people on the mountain is also limited by the capacity of the parking lots at Snowbowl. Even on the days when they officially close the mountain to traffic, I have never found the lift lines to be intolerable. Even if the new lift attracts more overall ski visits, I think the overall effect will be shorter lines due to the maximum parking capacity. I don't mind the ride up on Agassiz, especially if the new six pack takes all the traffic and I can lap Agassiz without waiting. The top of the mountain is where the goods are for me.

post #63 of 288
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Even on the days when they officially close the mountain to traffic, I have never found the lift lines to be intolerable.

Your tolerance level and my tolerance level must be very different.  There's a photo that's been posted a few times of Agassiz lines the weekend after a storm.  I'm not going to make the trip up from the valley and buy a single day ticket very often for 25 minute single line Agassiz lift.

 

I've organized ski weekends for friends Mid January the last two years.   Last year the snow was very good.  Beginning area (including rental line) was swamped.  Had people wait 1hr plus for gear that arrived at 9am.  Agassiz...15-20 minute single line mess.  Intermediate lifts held up extremely well with minimal lines.  I'm optimistic that the GC Express will have a similar affect on Agassiz that Humphrey's lift had on Sunset.  

 

I bought a powder pass this year (first time in the 7 winters of living in AZ).  I'm not expecting to get 10 days at snowbowl but expect to break even on the reciprocal days out of state.  

post #64 of 288
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Your tolerance level and my tolerance level must be very different.  There's a photo that's been posted a few times of Agassiz lines the weekend after a storm.  I'm not going to make the trip up from the valley and buy a single day ticket very often for 25 minute single line Agassiz lift.

 

I've organized ski weekends for friends Mid January the last two years.   Last year the snow was very good.  Beginning area (including rental line) was swamped.  Had people wait 1hr plus for gear that arrived at 9am.  Agassiz...15-20 minute single line mess.  Intermediate lifts held up extremely well with minimal lines.  I'm optimistic that the GC Express will have a similar affect on Agassiz that Humphrey's lift had on Sunset.  

 

I bought a powder pass this year (first time in the 7 winters of living in AZ).  I'm not expecting to get 10 days at snowbowl but expect to break even on the reciprocal days out of state.  

My experience as well.   I waited in that singles line once and that was the last time.  I hope the new lift works out but with the new lifts but I doubt I'll see $20-$30 ticket deals anymore.   I can't justify paying for snowbowl since I have the RMSP+ and MC. 

post #65 of 288
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Originally Posted by Dryheat View Post
 

Your tolerance level and my tolerance level must be very different.  There's a photo that's been posted a few times of Agassiz lines the weekend after a storm.  I'm not going to make the trip up from the valley and buy a single day ticket very often for 25 minute single line Agassiz lift.

 

 

We obviously have a vastly different tolerance when it comes to waiting in lift lines. I love to ski, especially after a storm, so a 15 min wait is a trivial price to pay for the goods. Stay home on a storm day, no way! I have a friend who hates the ski bus in SLC so much he refuses to use it. He doesn't have a 4X4, so on the days they restrict traffic going up the canyon, he doesn't ski. This is one of those sports where the crowds increase as the conditions get better, so if you avoid the inconvenience you also give up the best the sport has to offer. Twenty minute lift lines, bring it on.

post #66 of 288

Went up to check out the new lift today and pickup my pass.  I was pretty shocked to see it runs right over the main road!  How many cars will be spit on this winter lol.

 

post #67 of 288

Word is build is on schedule and it will be open by Christmas.  They were also moving the snow making equipment into place today on the lower mountain.  I am guessing a system test will happen soon!

post #68 of 288

Nice pics Core 2.

 

Other than that I'm just here to bump this thread to keep this thread higher up than the Taos thread, you know, to keep things sporty since those guys are too good to be part of the 4 Corners thread. :)

post #69 of 288

Bumpx2, Screw you Taos peeps. :)

post #70 of 288

San Juan's got dusted last night and have been seeing flurries all day.  Wolf had some lifts turning earlier today and is looking very white above 11k. Won't be much longer until turns are had!

 

post #71 of 288

So gorgeous in N. AZ today! 

 

 

post #72 of 288

Cold front passing through southern New Mexico this weekend brings highs into the upper 50s. All of my destinations in the state are still green. 

post #73 of 288

I swear I'm seeing frost on the grass in the mornings, which is becoming a pleasant golden brown. 

 

Still warm.

post #74 of 288
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Took the scenic ride up today to see the fall leaves. There was definitely more than at ouch of winter in the air. A sign of good things to come?

Here is a image of the top of the newly installed six pack from the midway of Agassiz. Looking good😀

post #75 of 288

As noted in another thread (http://www.epicski.com/t/146695/the-max-pass-2016-17-for-39-areas-killington-tremblant-big-sky-steamboat-solitude-brighton-alyeska-crested-butte-and-more), there are now three ski areas offering both the Powder Alliance and MAX Pass. This definitely makes it look like the Powder Alliance contract terms aren't preventing additional alliances... so why is AZ Snowbowl making customers choose either Powder Alliance or Power Pass, instead of offering some sort of option to combine them both? Does anyone have a sense of which option is more popular?

post #76 of 288
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As noted in another thread (http://www.epicski.com/t/146695/the-max-pass-2016-17-for-39-areas-killington-tremblant-big-sky-steamboat-solitude-brighton-alyeska-crested-butte-and-more), there are now three ski areas offering both the Powder Alliance and MAX Pass. This definitely makes it look like the Powder Alliance contract terms aren't preventing additional alliances... so why is AZ Snowbowl making customers choose either Powder Alliance or Power Pass, instead of offering some sort of option to combine them both? Does anyone have a sense of which option is more popular?

 

All I can figure is they don't want Purgatory to be part of the Powder Alliance for whatever reason.  That is the only big value difference between the two passes from what I can tell. I went with the Power Pass last year just due to the unlimited Purgatory skiing but went with Powder Alliance this year so I can hopefully get out and do some CA skiing.  I think it really just depends on what you want out of your season, both pass options are pretty solid for the money.

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post #78 of 288
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So what does this mean when they say "included". Edited to say that it means a 10% savings.

"Purgatory Snowcat Adventures is now included in the 2016/2017 Power Pass for access to Coleman’s five resorts. Visit www.purgatoryresort.com for details."
post #79 of 288

Where the hell would a snowcat take you around Purg?  I can't imagine the terrain being that great up there.  It says it leaves from the resort.

post #80 of 288
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Originally Posted by core2 View Post
 

Where the hell would a snowcat take you around Purg?  I can't imagine the terrain being that great up there.  It says it leaves from the resort.


Did you click on the link? There are photos, it's not big big terrain but it looks way more interesting than the ski area.

post #81 of 288
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Where the hell would a snowcat take you around Purg?  I can't imagine the terrain being that great up there.  It says it leaves from the resort.

 

Reading on the website :

 

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Introducing Purgatory Snowcat Adventures

With access to over 35,000 acres of expansive terrain in the San Juan backcountry, Purgatory Snowcat Adventures (formerly San Juan Untracked), offers an exceptional backcountry experience to skiers and riders, From wide open bowls, steep trees, rolling glades to to expansive cliffs, chutes, gullies and trees blanketed in abundant snowfall, your day of snowcat skiing or snowboarding will be unforgettable.

 

And a bit further down there's some more description that ends with :

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Runs vary in length from 500 feet to almost 2,500 vertical with an elevation range between 10,000 and 12,500 feet.

 

No map is shown though. 

post #82 of 288
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Did you click on the link? There are photos, it's not big big terrain but it looks way more interesting than the ski area.

 

I think their cat operation goes other places around Durango too.  The only place even feasible from the resort is in the pic below.  Doesn't look too bad but definitely nothing extreme.  Good enough for the Texans.

 

post #83 of 288
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I think their cat operation goes other places around Durango too.  The only place even feasible from the resort is in the pic below.  Doesn't look too bad but definitely nothing extreme.  Good enough for the Texans.

 

 

Well if they have 35000 acres, that's an area a bit more than 7 miles square. The area in the pic looks to be maybe 3 miles by 2 miles? So they apparently have a lot more land.

post #84 of 288

Ya, It's no Sunrise Park but it doesn't look too terrible. :D

 

 

post #85 of 288
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
 

Ya, It's no Sunrise Park but it doesn't look too terrible. :D

 

 

 

Looks fun, similar to Wolf Creek terrain I bet.  And LMAO at the double ejection at the end of that vid.

post #86 of 288

Knee deep powder anywhere looks good to this Texan. 

post #87 of 288
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Originally Posted by core2 View Post
 

 

All I can figure is they don't want Purgatory to be part of the Powder Alliance for whatever reason.  That is the only big value difference between the two passes from what I can tell. I went with the Power Pass last year just due to the unlimited Purgatory skiing but went with Powder Alliance this year so I can hopefully get out and do some CA skiing.  I think it really just depends on what you want out of your season, both pass options are pretty solid for the money.

I took Powerpass because of Saturday blackouts at all but two of the Powder Alliance resorts.

post #88 of 288

Saw deer crossing a trail on the webcam this morning. Ski Apache defaults to the summer website but they've posted discount lift tickets for November 25th. Still warm and dry across New Mexico. 

 

Pajarito, Sipapu, and Santa Fe have at least put up some winter stoke, despite the lack of snow. 

post #89 of 288

Lots of pics of the new Snowbowl lift in Liftblog.  Didn't realize that the Grand Canyon Express is the largest brand new lift in the country.

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/10/19/arizonas-first-six-pack-takes-shape-at-arizona-snowbowl

 

". . . The first six-place lift in the state is large by any measure, not just gauge but also length (5,801 feet) with an impressive vertical of 1,546 feet.  The line will have 61 chairs initially, moving up to 1,800 skiers per hour at 1,000 feet per minute.  Arizona Snowbowl will be able to add 54 more chairs to reach 3,400 pph in the future.  The new lift serves all of the terrain formerly accessible from the Sunset triple chair, which may eventually be removed. . . ."

post #90 of 288
Why would they not install max chair capacity?

I presume it's a trade off in operating speed but that seems unlikely.
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