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Need West Coast all mountain carver purchase advice. Too many choices, Elan, Volkl, Salomon

post #1 of 12
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Hello,

 

This is my first post here but I've spent several days reading and learning from all you pros. This site really offers a wealth of information so i'd like to thank all of you for contributing your time and knowledge. I've learned a lot of invaluable information from searching and spending time here so far.

 

A little info about me - 31 yr old male, 5' 10", 185 lbs, intermediate to advanced skier(lower end of advanced spectrum, that is). I'm somewhat new to the sport, with only 3 seasons under my belt but I've skied several resorts in Austria, most all Tahoe resorts (i live in Sacramento so it's a short drive away), as well as Vail and Breckenridge in CO. Total days skied are likely in the 50ish range. I plan to continue at this pace in the future.

 

This will be my first ski purchase after skiing exclusively rentals and loaners from friends. I waited to buy my own as i wasn't really sure what i wanted, or what was best for me. My boots are Fischer Ranger 12 which i bought and had fitted so i'm set there.

 

I am of the slightly aggressive type and I've skied the entire variety of runs and can do so comfortably, although black runs with very icy/crappy snow are a little more intimidating at times.

 

My goals for the near future are to improve carving and generally speaking technique, and to gradually increase speed. The widest ski I've skied so far has been a Rev 78 and with fresh powder and/or groomed runs, as well as end of day chop, they can be a little challenging, although they were 160 cm long(loaner from buddy) which is likely too short for me. The rentals I've skied ranged from 172 to 178 in size. None of them were demos but they were all Nordica and Salomon although i can't remember which models they were (silly that i didn't pay attention to this, but it too late now).

 

Make a long story short, I want a one-ski that can do it all and carve on piste as well as handle most powder, crud or bumps that you find on piste on the West Coast (incl. CO resort), which is where i will do most of my skiing. Also, it should be something i can grow into as I advance my skills and technique. 

 

I'm not really looking to jump into a wide (90mm+) ski as i think that would hinder my technical improvement and i honestly don't think they're needed with the more recent Tahoe winters we've been having I do not plan to do any off-piste skiing, and will stick to just groomers. That said, i think a ski in the 84-88 mm range would be ideal for what i'm looking for and would provide a little more stability and versatility for those fresh powder days on the groomers.

 

I've done some reading and think I've narrowed down the choices to the following:

 

Volkl RTM 84 UVO (2016+ model) 177cm

Elan Amphibio 84 XTI 176cm

Elan Amphibio 88 XTI 176cm

Volkl Brahma (2016 model) 173cm

 

Budget is $700 or less and would likely want to stay with one of the above, but i've come to you for wisdom :-) so I'd consider any and all your suggestions.

 

Thanks in advance for your contributions.

post #2 of 12

Welcome to EpicSki!  Of the skis you've used so far, which one did you like the best when skiing around Tahoe?

 

Off topic, but how did you manage to get to ski in Austria?

post #3 of 12

I think the Fischer Motive 86 TI would be very well suited for what you describe. Here's a great review by Blister, not only featuring the MOtive, but also compares it to other great skis in that category: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2014-2015-fischer-motive-86-ti

post #4 of 12

I would say the Brahma is the most versatile ski you have listed. The 173 may be a little short especially as you improve over the next couple of years. You should at least consider 180s.

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
 

I would say the Brahma is the most versatile ski you have listed. The 173 may be a little short especially as you improve over the next couple of years. You should at least consider 180s.

+1 on Brahma, 173 is too short, other than that good ski to all around Lake Tahoe.

BTW, sorry that I will sound like a broken record, you said a lot about your skis and what you had tried, but one not less important question: Do you have boots?

post #6 of 12

I concur.  Brahma in a 180cm.  If you've skied a 178cm rental/demo ski, you'll be fine on the 180cm Brahma.  Great ski and doesn't feel too overwhelming in longer lengths.  

 

We reviewed the 2017 Brahma back in April, which got the same "Carbon Flipcore" update as the Bonafide and other models did for 2016.

post #7 of 12

Welcome to Epic. I respectfully disagree with some of the points in your post; do not fear length and do not fear width. Based on your size, goals and stated ability right now there are plenty of 180 to 185 skis that would fit you well. The Nordica Explorer 93 and 100, NRGY 90 (very easy ski to ski) come to mind right away as do skis by Salomon, Line, Rossi Sin 7 (if you are off piste most of the time and the Icelantic Nomad SKNY (stupid easy to ski; mostly off piste).

 

Don't fear the fat!

post #8 of 12

I agree with the OP's self assessment. There are a ton of great 80-90mm skis out there that would fit his bill. 

 

Dynastar Powertrack 89 (179), The Brahma (180), a Rossi Experience 88, if you could find one, a Rev 85 pro (177), maybe a 177 Monster 83 or 88, Nordica Nrgy 80 or 90, Atomic Vantage 90ti,... it's really hard to go wrong in this category of skis so long as you get the length right.

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Originally Posted by SquawBrat View Post
 

Welcome to Epic. I respectfully disagree with some of the points in your post; do not fear length and do not fear width. Based on your size, goals and stated ability right now there are plenty of 180 to 185 skis that would fit you well. The Nordica Explorer 93 and 100, NRGY 90 (very easy ski to ski) come to mind right away as do skis by Salomon, Line, Rossi Sin 7 (if you are off piste most of the time and the Icelantic Nomad SKNY (stupid easy to ski; mostly off piste).

 

Don't fear the fat!

 

In my opinion going much over 90mm under foot is going to hinder his progression on groomed terrain (which is his focus), and isn't going to automatically make him a powder slayer.  

 

I assume you mean the Nordica Enforcer 93 and 100.  I would avoid the Enforcer 100, it's a bit more challenging than the 93.  The 93 wouldn't be a bad choice, but I still think the Brahma is a better choice considering what you're coming off of and what you want to accomplish.

post #10 of 12

little bit of my opinion on mid-fat (near 100 mm) and beginner/intermediate skiers.

 

- over 90 mm under foot slow down the learning progress on groomers

- skiing powder on 100 mm skis under foot, without some mad skills is also hard ( very hard)

 

So, my thoughts, that having 100 mm skis and not having top skills is probably not really beneficial for a skier.

post #11 of 12

A lot of great options in the 85-95 mm category, that's true. But they are very different in character. There's a huge difference between - let'say - Dynastar Powertrack 89 and the Brahma. I have skied the Brahma and even though Ioved its stability, hard snow capabilities, I also thought it was a beast. My fairly athletich 95kg friend really loved it, but for me - 88kg, but not so athletic - the Brahma was much too burly/demanding for my physical ablitities and style.

 

The Atomic Vantage, on the other hand, I found much too carbonny. Great as long as it's soft snow you're on. But not so much on icy hardpack.

 

So yes: great options, but not every ski is just for every one to buy and enjoy.

post #12 of 12
Well yes. That's a given. The OP isnt too clear on what he'd like the ski to feel like.
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