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Lifts at Alta can be iffy for kids


You talking about kids under 6?  My daughter was a petite 7yo her first trip to Alta.  No issues for her.  She was an intermediate who learned to ski in the southeast.  Was able to ski the blues on the Albion side after a day or two of ski school.

 

I'm talking about 4footish younguns that can't reach the footrests and can't sit far back on the chair sliding forward - either they know to push the bar *hard* while at the same time leaning /forward/ (quite counterintuitive for the kids I was on the chair with, apparently) or the parent is doing a straightarm back-of-collar lift.

I don't know if it's the chair dimensions or the surface resilience but Alta is the only place I've seen (and had to help with, multiple instances of) this scenario.


What footrests?  Snowbird lifts have footrests but not at Alta.

 

The change that Alta made for kids on the lifts several years ago was to add short bars that can go between legs so a little kid can't slip out underneath.  Still no footrests.

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Well step up to the plate then and bring some peeps into the sport you'll get a keen eye for beginner terrain in no time at all. 

Well, I actually instruct at my local bump. Mostly beginners. But that doesn't seem to prepare me to figure out what beginners want. Probably because most of my charges are kids, who typically have no fear (and tend to quickly progress to "intermediate"). 


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Lifts at Alta can be iffy for kids


You talking about kids under 6?  My daughter was a petite 7yo her first trip to Alta.  No issues for her.  She was an intermediate who learned to ski in the southeast.  Was able to ski the blues on the Albion side after a day or two of ski school.

 

I'm talking about 4footish younguns that can't reach the footrests and can't sit far back on the chair sliding forward - either they know to push the bar *hard* while at the same time leaning /forward/ (quite counterintuitive for the kids I was on the chair with, apparently) or the parent is doing a straightarm back-of-collar lift.

I don't know if it's the chair dimensions or the surface resilience but Alta is the only place I've seen (and had to help with, multiple instances of) this scenario.


What footrests?  Snowbird lifts have footrests but not at Alta.

 

The ones they subconsciously reach for if they learned to ski elsewhere.    Now imagine a boy wishboned on the stop bar while his father and I yank him backwards, because if we lift it to get off the chair the boy's dropping to the snow.     Screaming.   

 

He was perfectly capable of skiing everything under Supreme, but I hear he never got on that or Collins again.

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Well step up to the plate then and bring some peeps into the sport you'll get a keen eye for beginner terrain in no time at all. 

Well, I actually instruct at my local bump. Mostly beginners. But that doesn't seem to prepare me to figure out what beginners want. Probably because most of my charges are kids, who typically have no fear (and tend to quickly progress to "intermediate"). 

 

Interesting.    I also think there is a considerable allowance made for instructors, even adults allow instructors to take them where they would never go in other company.     Being part of that other company...is a completely different experience.


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Unless you're going to be in the Northeast, don't bother with Stowe. That being said, I chose Stowe for my third day this year because I ski probably half my days in Vermont, and I love Stowe. 2000' of vertical, lots of woods and advanced terrain, but plenty of blue groomers for intermediates. There is a green from the summit, and a big open snowfield for true beginners on the Spruce peak side.
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Interesting.    I also think there is a considerable allowance made for instructors, even adults allow instructors to take them where they would never go in other company.     Being part of that other company...is a completely different experience.

I think "beginner" as a group can have a pretty wide range of abilities. When I got a group of "beginners" (mostly define by their parents), it really didn't mean much. Not until I take them through one of the long winding green runs....

 

But I think my trouble is with "beginner" VACATIONERS, as oppose to students, is I never get to know what beginners do when they're not in a lesson! Supposedly, they practice, or just enjoy what they can do comfortably? 

 

When instructing, or when learning as a student myself, we tend to "under-terrain" (except to specifically tackle particular kind of terrain, i.e. moguls or chutes).Also, no one particularly mind doing the same trail over and over to work on techniques.That's different than when one is just cruising around. Just because a run is marked green, doesn't always means beginners enjoy it. I doubt beginners want to do the same trail over and over when they're not in a lesson.

 

I once found myself coaching an "intermediate" (adult) friend down a green slowly, because she's completely terrified by the drop off on one side of the trail. It doesn't matter 80% of the trails were flat enough to require poling, there were sections that were a little steep and all the snow got totally scraped off, left only a sheet of ice! Well, she got to practice a lot of side slip...

 

I must admit I'm not all that experienced in instructing. So I refuse to "teach" my friends when out cruising. I can ski, but I don't have a lot of tricks to teach, not yet. 

 

Anyway, enough side track. I'll just shut up when it comes to "beginner terrain". Maybe, I'll figure it out in a few more years. 

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