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post #1 of 12
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Hay all,

 

I'm looking to round out my quiver with a dedicated powder ski. It will primarily be used in the Back Bowls/BSB of Vail on deep days.

 

A little background:

5"4'/162cm, 160lbs.

Primarily ski Vail/Beaver Creek with trips to A-Basin/Breck/Keystone.

Ski 100+ days/year.

 

Current skis:

Kastle FX84 - 160cm

Nordica Enforcer 100 - 169cm (Daily driver)

 

Just wondering what other's thoughts are on these particular powder skis:

Volkl One - 166

Volkl Two - 166 - might be overkill for Vail...

Icelantic Nomad 115 - 171 (new for 16/17)

Armada JJ 2.0 - 165/175?

Moment Deathwish - 164

Moment Bibby - 174 - maybe

Liberty Origin 116 - 174

...and possibly Rossignol Super7.

 

174 is really my max length I think. I used to own a Rossi Sin7 in 172, and it was the longest ski I've ever ridden. With the max length cutoff (for me anyway) being 174ish, a few of the skis friends/shop guys have recommended to me are out - simply because they aren't available in a shorter length - IE Bentchetler, Nordica Patron. Not really interested in Rossi Soul7's. Just wondering what other's thought were regarding the ones mentioned, and if there are any other suggestions. Ski Essentials has a killer deal on the Volkl One's that I might not be able to pass up though...

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 12

For my very biased .02...

 

For a dedicated powder ski, you won't beat a 3D Praxis Powderboard for outright powder/windbuff/corn/slush fun. A 180 would work great for you. That said, it is a full reverse camber, reverse sidecut, and slight "boat hull" base ski - so it skis a bit "different". For locking in the powder end of a quiver, it'd be my first choice hands down.

 

Working "down" waist-wise, the family (4 active skiers) favorite for good days is the Praxis Protest. My spouse is a bit lighter than you are and skis the 177. It has been some time since she pulled out her Volkl Ones - but they are well liked as well -- but a bit more "all mountainy" like those below.

 

Finally, something like a Praxis GPO or Super 7 covers a ton of conditions. Certainly powder capable. But for my .02 not the same big powder fun as the Powderboards or Protests.

 

Obviously you can dig around and find similar designs from a few manufacturers - I cited the skis I favor (plus the Super just 'cause).

 

Note two things. First, I am an unapologetic Praxis fan. They are built in Tahoe by skiers for skiers. Been on the FWT podium a disproportionate number of times. Second, considering the total cost of skiing, I worry more about the ski than the price. That said, the current Praxis pre-season sale pricing + regular coupon + first time customer loyalty code deal (link needed from existing customer) get the pricing very reasonable. 

 

quick edit: Oh, one more thought.... Don't shy away from things like shorter Bent Cheater or Automatic 117 (proportions roughly similar to GPO and Super) because of length. These skis have decent rocker. At 160 pounds, these are not out of line for a rockered powder ski.Hence my length suggestions on the Praxis models.

post #3 of 12
I'm taller (5'-10") but lighter (145lbs), and for powder skis (or for most skis with any significant rocker) I have liked skis around 180cm. For instance, I preferred the ON3P Billy Goat in 179, the 184 was more work in crud and soft bumps whereas the 179 was just perfect, very nimble yet confidence inspiring.

That said, if you ski 100+ days a year, you know what lengths you like for where you ski. The Billy Goat comes in 174cm length, as well as 164cm.
post #4 of 12

I own the FX 84 174? (from a few year's back) and loved the Enforcer 100 185 last year.  (Wanted it in a powder/variable snow bias length, hence the 185.)

I'm 5'10", 150 lbs max., finesse skier.  

 

The only one of the skis you mention I've been on is the Super 7.  I own it, and like it - in its place.   I don't recommend it for a single powder/variable ski over 100 waist.   It can't be beat in soft, smooth, untouched snow.   Great in light chop.   But an hour into the powder ski day, the Super 7s become much more work and less fun than many other powder skis, in typical resort skiing (even at Vail?).   

 

But if you're only looking to ski smooth, soft pow, this is a top ski.   

 

For a powder or crud ski, I find longer better, for fore-aft stability if nothing else, but it really depends on the ski.  Some skis I could get away with shorter, especially for tree days.   It depends on the ski!

 

(I could recommend other skis, but you haven't asked for that, and you know best for you.)

post #5 of 12

P.S. I've had interest in the Moment Bibby Pro/Blister Pro, but have never been able to demo it.   

 

From a careful reading of the various Bibby posts on Blistergear, it seems like this ski likes being longer for stability charging, and it still turns quickly.  Dunno.   But the women and lighter guys there get it in 184 instead of the 19x length favored by the ~185 lbs. guys.  

 

I seem to recall they explicitly discouraged the shorter lengths than that as having a very different feel, but not sure.   

 

The 184 might work for me, and maybe you, not sure here either.   I want to try it, but I sure wouldn't buy it cold turkey, I don't think.   Even if Blister raves about it.   

 

I second the good comments about the ON3P Billy Goat 116, probably at differing lengths.  (When I liked it a lot, I tried 185.)   It was good everywhere, even groomers and bumps, let alone what it was designed for, Powder and variable/crud.

 

A guy I sometimes ski with at Copper uses the BG (very long, but he's big) as a one ski quiver, and he's probably the best skier I see there.   Wow in powder or crud.   

post #6 of 12

ON3P BG 174cm or Praxis Protest 177cm, that's what I would get depending on how versatile or deep pow capable you want it to be, like others have said, nothing comes close to on3p or praxis in my experience when it comes to quality and good people to deal with.

post #7 of 12
Forget anything under 170. Powder boards are longer. A good pow ski is long to give better float. Also, a dedicated powder ski is going to have a hefty amount of rocker, which makes a ski act much shorter. 174-177 is probably a good range for you.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post

Forget anything under 170. Powder boards are longer. A good pow ski is long to give better float. Also, a dedicated powder ski is going to have a hefty amount of rocker, which makes a ski act much shorter. 174-177 is probably a good range for you.


Actually the length of a powder ski contributes relatively little to float. Obviously changes in length add to surface area - but do some arithmetic and it becomes clear that to get the same surface area shift you get from adding 10mm to width, you'd typically have to add 15-20cm in length.  Adding length contributes mostly to fore/aft stability.

 

That said - yeah, that rocker changes the nimble factor a ton for a given length. A 175-180 powder oriented ski will be no problem for the OP. A 170 will be on the small side. At least for a powder design.

post #9 of 12

I'm 5'7", 150#, got the One in a 176, and really like it.  Here's my comparison of the One, Two, Sal Q115, Rossi Super 7, Armada JJ, and Atomic Bent Chetler: http://www.epicski.com/t/119277/ex-racer-demos-modern-skis-titan-rev85-rtm84-kendo-proph98-finds-himself-delighted-and-confused/180#post_1732539 .    See also Jonathan Ellsworth's review of the 186 cm Volkl One: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2013-2014-volkl-one 

 

At your weight, I think the 166 One might be too short.   Plus aren't the back bowls at Vail mostly wide open, as opposed to having tight trees, where you'd need to make smaller turns (been too long since I was last there for me to remember)?  But you've got to go with what you know works for you based on your own experience.

 

At 100+ days/year, unless you really need to buy pre-season to hit the sales, I'd strongly recommend demoing from an on-mountain shop (so you can try several skis in one day).  Or maybe get something at a killer sale now, and then, if you don't care for it, demo during the season to see if you want to sell it and get something that works better for you.

post #10 of 12

Just saw this on TGR. Deal of the day on a 177 Protest.  I have no idea if any of the usual discounts can be applied for deal of the day - but that is a heck of a price on a great ski. It rocks in powder. It likes to be skied a bit centered. But it'll hold an edge in a range of conditions. I'd personally have no problems skiing it most day's I've seen at Vail as soft corduroy is no problem (however I like fat rockered skis...). Though it might take some attention on the packed/rutted stuff on the way back in the afternoon. 

 

http://www.praxisskis.com/discount-skis/protest-177-custom/

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
 

Just saw this on TGR. Deal of the day on a 177 Protest.  I have no idea if any of the usual discounts can be applied for deal of the day - but that is a heck of a price on a great ski. It rocks in powder. It likes to be skied a bit centered. But it'll hold an edge in a range of conditions. I'd personally have no problems skiing it most day's I've seen at Vail as soft corduroy is no problem (however I like fat rockered skis...). Though it might take some attention on the packed/rutted stuff on the way back in the afternoon. 

 

http://www.praxisskis.com/discount-skis/protest-177-custom/

that's a steal... coupons will work as well! Go get this!

post #12 of 12

Oh, BTW - that size Protest is a heck of a Powder ski for most female skiers out there. I'm surprised I don't see more on women's feet on big days.

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