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Are you moving to Utah? I tried skiing around my first year there and documented it, including my hunt for lift ticket deals, in this thread. The MCP is definitely a great deal for exploring around. Attend one of the Warren Miller film screenings in the fall--they should have a couple of nice freebies. KSL.com's classifieds can be a good spot to look, and up to now at least some of the resorts have offered tickets that can be legally resold (and you can likely get away with it at other spots, but buyer beware). Deer Valley and PCMR day tickets are through the roof expensive. If you really want to check out PCMR, buying one of the Epic products now while they're on sale is the most affordable way on a per-day basis. Deer Valley this past season gave out free days to passholders at Alta, Snowbird, Brighton, and Solitude... and they offer January-only discounts at some ski shops. Sundance and Powder Mountain have the best track record for offering good Liftopia deals, in my experience. And details on next season's MAX Pass should be out soon--for this season, they offered 5 days at Brighton + 5 days at Solitude (plus other areas farther away) for $600. Probably only worth it if you're definitely going out of state at least once.

@New2PDX thank you for the info! I have read through many posts on your thread and it was very informative (although I should take a closer look to remember what you said about traffic).

 

I am thinking about moving to Utah at some point, and my two big skiing questions were 1) is it worth living closer to LCC/BCC to save time driving into the mountains on the weekends? It sounds like the answer is no, it doesn't really save that much time (especially since I expect more jobs would be in the downtown area).

 

In terms of question 2) ability to ski many different areas economically, thanks for your advice! It sounds like MCP is the best deal going. I will definitely have to check out the Warren Miller films. Glad to hear that Powder Mountain and Sundance have deals. Those mountains are further down in my list of mountains to try, but I would still love to give both a shot. Based on your thread I think I might actually end up really liking Powder Mountain. It sounds like the MOST economical way to ski of course is to get a season pass, and that's awesome that Alta/Snowbird season pass holders get tickets to Deer Valley. My issue is I also want to spend exploring Solitude, Brighton, PCMR, etc. If the MAX Pass is able to add in another Utah area resort it starts to sound much better to me! The Epic Local pass is surprisingly inexpensive compared to the other season passes here, but my guess is that more of the time I would want to be skiing LCC/BCC? But then again, one long weekend to Whistler or Tahoe and all of a sudden the Epic Local pass sounds like a great deal.

post #422 of 461

get the grills ready , its gonna b a warm one up top!

post #423 of 461
>1) is it worth living closer to LCC/BCC to save time driving into the mountains on the weekends?
 
That's totally up to you.  But you will find that you might drive 30 minutes to get near the mouth of the canyon(if you live in downtown SLC) only to have to wait in a 1 hr line(more more!) to start going up.  You will be better off taking 209 to LCC canyon entrance. 
 
Coming down, there are no short-cuts.  On a busy powder day it's going to be slow getting out of parking lots, esp Alta, where you have to wait for the Snowbird lots.  Even on a dry road day, it turns a 12 minute drive into a 45 minute drive(busy day).  Worse with bad road conditions. 
 
I don't have as much experience with BCC, but I've never had a problem(with traffic) going up or down, even on a snowy day - although the road can get dicey with all the hairpins. 
I'm only a tourist, so I tolerate it staying down in the valley to save a few bucks, but I can imagine it can get really frustrating on a regular basis for locals.  So close and yet so far!  I had a real good dose of "waiting" while out there 2 weeks ago during the storms. 
post #424 of 461
On my second trip ever to Alta it took 2 hours to get there from 215 a few weeks ago.   Is was a Saturday so I learned that is to be expected.   Personally, I'm not doing that again.  BCC didn't look bad either.  Go figure. 
post #425 of 461

I spent 5 hours in my car for 3 1/2 hours of skiing a couple weeks ago.  You should move someplace else.

post #426 of 461

Yes, the traffic is Snowbird/Alta's DIRTY little secret! 

 

1st day.  Canyon road closed until 8am, I leave Midvale hotel at 7:30am.  Get in line about 300 yds past 7-11.  Then big line for Peruvian, which I didn't board until 10:30am. (that line was for 1st loaders and cleared by noon)  Seriously idiotic 3 hr travel time.  Wasatch Blvd past 7-11 is not the way to go.  You have all these cars sneaking through the side roads to enter ahead and everyone lets them in.  My pals left at 8:30 and took 209 and arrived same time as us.  And that day it wasn't even chains. 

 

2nd day.  Sunday Alta.  Clear roads.  Still took an hour to make the 20 minute drive. Skied to the end and dottled in the lodge.  Didn't matter.  Very slow coming down until past Gad.

 

3rd day.  Monday. Snowing, Big powder day.(Fabulous!!!)  Take the bus.  No problem getting on at Sandy Station.  Fairly quick ride up to Bird.  Canyon road closed 12-4pm.  Trouble is there were no buses taking people down all afternoon and got in huge line at 5:15pm.  Had to stand in line holding my skis (after non-stop busting powder all day) for close to 90 minutes until I got on bus.  Back in Midvale at 7:15pm. 

 

So on that trip out of 6 drives, 2 were 3 hrs to take a 20 minute trip. 

 

It's worth it.  And for sure it is not always like that, but I was on the tail end of a 80 inch 9 day snowfall, so i had to pay for what i got. 

post #427 of 461

I go ski Canyons on days when BCC/LCC are going to be jammed.

 

Easy drive and shorter lift lines.

post #428 of 461
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Yes, the traffic is Snowbird/Alta's DIRTY little secret! 

 

1st day.  Canyon road closed until 8am, I leave Midvale hotel at 7:30am.  Get in line about 300 yds past 7-11.  Then big line for Peruvian, which I didn't board until 10:30am. (that line was for 1st loaders and cleared by noon)  Seriously idiotic 3 hr travel time.  Wasatch Blvd past 7-11 is not the way to go.  You have all these cars sneaking through the side roads to enter ahead and everyone lets them in.  My pals left at 8:30 and took 209 and arrived same time as us.  And that day it wasn't even chains. 

 

2nd day.  Sunday Alta.  Clear roads.  Still took an hour to make the 20 minute drive. Skied to the end and dottled in the lodge.  Didn't matter.  Very slow coming down until past Gad.

 

3rd day.  Monday. Snowing, Big powder day.(Fabulous!!!)  Take the bus.  No problem getting on at Sandy Station.  Fairly quick ride up to Bird.  Canyon road closed 12-4pm.  Trouble is there were no buses taking people down all afternoon and got in huge line at 5:15pm.  Had to stand in line holding my skis (after non-stop busting powder all day) for close to 90 minutes until I got on bus.  Back in Midvale at 7:15pm. 

 

So on that trip out of 6 drives, 2 were 3 hrs to take a 20 minute trip. 

 

It's worth it.  And for sure it is not always like that, but I was on the tail end of a 80 inch 9 day snowfall, so i had to pay for what i got. 

 

Thanks, great to know!

 

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I go ski Canyons on days when BCC/LCC are going to be jammed.

 

Easy drive and shorter lift lines.

 

Good idea. The Canyons is so spread out, the powder probably lasts longer, though it doesn't get as much as LCC. Do you have an Epic pass? I'm thinking the only way I can justify skiing at the Canyons/PCMR more than a few times is an Epic Local pass.

post #429 of 461
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Thanks, great to know!

 

 

Good idea. The Canyons is so spread out, the powder probably lasts longer, though it doesn't get as much as LCC. Do you have an Epic pass? I'm thinking the only way I can justify skiing at the Canyons/PCMR more than a few times is an Epic Local pass.

Yup got the Epic local pass. Seems a good deal to me though I turn 70 this year so need to do some comparisons as I get a wrinkly discount in some places.

post #430 of 461

feels like we turned up the calendar instead of the clocks.

 

Alta yesterday :

 

I traversed skiers left off wildcat past the punch bowl - there's a few standard lines that drop you in towards westward ho . ended up skiing on grass where an avy bomb went off! depressing.

 

stopped in some trees at the bottom of rustler 4 for a safety meeting and saw this strange carcass strung up in the trees

 

post #431 of 461
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Originally Posted by blackke17 View Post
 

feels like we turned up the calendar instead of the clocks.

 

Alta yesterday :

 

I traversed skiers left off wildcat past the punch bowl - there's a few standard lines that drop you in towards westward ho . ended up skiing on grass where an avy bomb went off! depressing.

 

stopped in some trees at the bottom of rustler 4 for a safety meeting and saw this strange carcass strung up in the trees

 

 

 

 

That is obviously a Yeti. 

post #432 of 461
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Managed to make it to SLC late last night.  Changed my flight to beat the snowstorms.

 

Fun spring skiing at Alta this afternoon but definitely felt more like mid-April instead of mid-March.  Heard that things were pretty firm until late morning.  Quite a few people were on Ballroom after lunch.  Given that it was my first day at altitude and didn't get much sleep, mostly played around off Supreme where everything was soft but not sticky for the most part.  Temperature was 40 at the base of the lift just before closing at 3:30.

post #433 of 461
I skied Nordic Valley with a friend on Saturday and felt like summer skiing. I was in a hoodie with the sleeves rolled up, no gloves, no helmet, sunglasses, and no facemask and still sweat. It was a blast though. Fun day to screw around and try to be like the cool kids and learn to butter.
post #434 of 461
Utah does okay out of the next few weeks, with quite a few inland falls. The trouble is temperatures.
https://longrangesnowcenter.blogspot.com.au/2017/03/north-america-on-long-term-15th-march.html
post #435 of 461
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Yesterday there seemed to be a fair number of locals out looking for soft snow.  Perhaps they are expecting the cold to move in soon?  I think the High T stayed closed all day.  In any case, today there were fewer skiers around and it was pretty clear most were travelers.  Many were first timers.  At least seemed that way at the top of Supreme with lots of people stopping to take pictures.

 

As for the skiing, it was great on the Supreme groomers starting first thing in the morning.  Snow was soft in all the usual places by lunch time.  Had lunch with friends, including kids, at Alf's so skied off Supreme after lunch too.  My group didn't quit until close to 4pm.  Snow was still good enough for another run, but everyone was tired.

 

Talked to a couple on the lift who are part of the Wild Old Bunch.  They rent a house in SLC for the winter with another older couple who are relatives.  Found out that the oldest member of the Bunch is 99 1/2 and his ski buddy is 93.  Still skiing powder and trees when the weather cooperates.

 

Also talked to a couple senior women who have a group who spend a March week at Snowbird every year.  They take the bus up to Alta for one day of skiing.  Then have a late lunch at the Rustler before heading back to the timeshare condos.  Big group, lunch reservation for 20.

post #436 of 461
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Things will be a bit different around Snowbasin next season.  One reason is that there will be MCP holders around.  What will be more noticeable is that the old Wildcat lift is going to be replaced by a high-speed six-pack chairlift.  The press release went out this week, soon after Snowbasin got approval from the Forest Service for several development changes based on the paperwork submitted in 2016.  Also will be more snowmaking in the Wildcat area.  Goal is to make Snowbasin more friendly to beginners/intermediates, as well as allow more options for racing.

 

https://www.snowbasin.com/blog/snowbasin-resort-announces-new-high-speed-wildcat-chairlift-for-2017-2018-s

 

"Snowbasin, UT – March 15, 2017 – Snowbasin Resort is excited to announce a new high speed, detachable six-pack chairlift that will replace the current Wildcat Triple Chairlift for the 2017-2018 Winter Season. The Wildcat Chairlift was the first chairlift at Snowbasin Resort and the center of the ski area for several years. Wildcat operated as a single chair from its installation in 1946 until 1973, the Wildcat double chair operated from 1964 – 1985 and the current Wildcat triple chair was installed in 1973. Snowbasin Resort has partnered with Doppelmayr to manufacture and install the high speed six-pack this summer and fall. The new Wildcat lift will follow the same path as the current lift with 17 towers and a rise of 1,290 vertical feet. The new lift ride will only be 5 minutes and the lift capacity will be 2,400 people an hour. . . ."

post #437 of 461

Bird yesterday I skied mid cirque in a t-shirt   - cant say that everyday . pretty fun once things softened up, some really firm groomers in the early morning  - alot of sping breakers out there

post #438 of 461
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Supreme groomers were wonderful again today first thing in the morning.  Hardly anyone else showed up until 11:00.  Everything off Sugarloaf was very skiable by 11:30.  We went out to Catherine's but the cloud cover kept temps just a little too cool out there.  The top section was still very firm, but was soft towards the bottom.

 

The High T opened late today.  Apparently from what I heard they worked on the end of the traverse.  There were folks who had a good time on High Rustler, including my daughter on her telemark skis.  She went with a new friend she made at Alta Lodge this week.  It's the first time for that person form the northeast, who was glad for the experience.  Wants to go again tomorrow but it may be too cool.

 

Stone Crusher has a set of bumps right down the middle.  They are far bigger than usual at Alta.  Reminds me of mid-size Taos bumps.  Quite soft this afternoon although I was too tired to really want to work at sticking to the center line.

post #439 of 461

I'm thinking about making one last ski trip out west this year, probably 3/30-4/4. But SLC seems to be really warm lately. I was wondering if it's worth it to hit Alta this late in the season. 

post #440 of 461

A more active weather pattern is forecast for the end of the month.  Skiing will probably be pretty good.

post #441 of 461
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I'm thinking about making one last ski trip out west this year, probably 3/30-4/4. But SLC seems to be really warm lately. I was wondering if it's worth it to hit Alta this late in the season. 


Always hard to know.  Just left Alta this afternoon.  Was a good afternoon anywhere off-piste for those who know how to enjoy soft snow.  I went into Supreme Bowl for the first time.  My daughter did High Rustler for the first time yesterday with a friend.  Even with the warm spell, the snow coverage is really good this season.   That makes a big difference after a couple seasons of relatively low snow.

 

In any case, I'll be back at Alta starting 4/5 and expect to have a good time.  Seems pretty clear that it will be the last season for the Supreme and Cecret lifts.  That's not bad, bit it well be different.

post #442 of 461
Any idea how fast Alta is losing its base? Will the first week of April still be good?
post #443 of 461

There is way more snow than previous years. Lines are open that I've never seen before. And snow is forecast every day for the next 7 days. I wouldn't worry.

post #444 of 461

Hey guys, dumb touron logistics question.  We are bringing my now 3.5 year old out with us later this week, and have a few days scheduled for him in the Snowbird Chickadee program and are planning on using Solitudes similar program a day or two.  Looks like the weather may be changing for the better.   Last year was the first year in over a decade+ that I didnt make it up to the Cottonwoods at least once , due to having the little dude around now.  Last few times I was there I stayed up canyon, but prior to that did the schlep up from the Valley a ton of times.  I have heard that traffic getting up LCC is even worse now on a powder day or weekend than even a few years ago.  Given that and that as of now I am staying in Cottonwood heights, how early should I leave to make sure I get there at 8:30 (obviously barring any canyon closure) to get him in his program on time and us on the lifts?   Thinking Thursday and Fri may be busy if the forceast works out after this recent thaw.  Sat we are leaning toward Solitude just to duck some of the crowds and traffic.  Also, I'm guessing that heading down Wasatch Blvd past the 7-11 is still a gong show on busy days even though its direct from the Cottonwood hotels.  Better to make my way down to 209 somehow?  Like I said, I used to be fairly skilled at navigating this scene, but its been a while.

post #445 of 461
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Any idea how fast Alta is losing its base? Will the first week of April still be good?

DV has only lost 10 inches of base over the last week. Still reporting a base of 105".  Alta has more snow.

 

A little electricity in the air today over DV. Sporadic sprinkles throughout the day and some wet graupel at the end.

 

Wasatch forecast for the next couple days says

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 Total accumulations look to be in the 6-12″ range for elevations above 8,500 feet, with 3-8″ for elevations in the 7,000-8,500 range.
post #446 of 461

yeah , Alta is only losing 1-2" per day.

 

gettin really sick of these record warm days - summers long enough around here as it is .

post #447 of 461
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Any idea how fast Alta is losing its base? Will the first week of April still be good?


I'll be back at Alta for April 5-14.  Planning on having a good time and definitely not worrying about snow coverage.  I've skied Alta in April during low snow years.  There is going to be a lot more snow in April, even with a few more days of warm weather between now and mid-April.

post #448 of 461

You convinced me that my worry was unfounded.  Arriving the 1st and heading home the 7th.  Let it snow!  

post #449 of 461
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Hey guys, dumb touron logistics question.  We are bringing my now 3.5 year old out with us later this week, and have a few days scheduled for him in the Snowbird Chickadee program and are planning on using Solitudes similar program a day or two.  Looks like the weather may be changing for the better.   Last year was the first year in over a decade+ that I didnt make it up to the Cottonwoods at least once , due to having the little dude around now.  Last few times I was there I stayed up canyon, but prior to that did the schlep up from the Valley a ton of times.  I have heard that traffic getting up LCC is even worse now on a powder day or weekend than even a few years ago.  Given that and that as of now I am staying in Cottonwood heights, how early should I leave to make sure I get there at 8:30 (obviously barring any canyon closure) to get him in his program on time and us on the lifts?   Thinking Thursday and Fri may be busy if the forceast works out after this recent thaw.  Sat we are leaning toward Solitude just to duck some of the crowds and traffic.  Also, I'm guessing that heading down Wasatch Blvd past the 7-11 is still a gong show on busy days even though its direct from the Cottonwood hotels.  Better to make my way down to 209 somehow?  Like I said, I used to be fairly skilled at navigating this scene, but its been a while.

My info's from last year and the year before, but maybe someone will correct if I get it wrong. I think the worst traffic I encountered was about 45 minutes heading up BCC; about an hour up LCC (both from the Fort Union/Wasatch/BCC intersection by 7-11). My experience was that Wasatch was the quickest way in and out of LCC, even in heavy traffic.

 

Utah's out west... which means the road up LCC is "the 209" not "209" :)

post #450 of 461

Both canyons have been noticeably busier this season.  I've spent a couple hours in my car several times this season, usually caused by a canyon closure.  Solitude is definitely the call when a closure is in effect for the LCC.  The Big rarely closes for avalanche mitigation whereas the Little frequently closes.  As long as there isn't a canyon closure the traffic is rarely a problem, it gets backed up a bit but doesn't cause hours long delays.

 

If there is a canyon closure and you are determined to ski in the Little it's best to get up there before the canyon closes.  They usually shoot the road from 6:00 to 8:00.  Beating the closure requires you are in the canyon before 5:45 or so, it also requires a stout vehicle.  The canyon closures usually come along with big snowfall, your 2wd rental car isn't going to cut it, and you want to have some decent tires on your 4x4.

 

With no closure expect no longer than 30-40 minutes from Cottonwood Heights to parking lots.  I keep a log of my season over on Pugski, http://forum.pugski.com/threads/snowbird-2016-2017-the-revenge-of-ullr.3395/, if you'd like to see how things have gone this season.

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