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Higher end piste ski or narrow all mountain ski for ice and groomers?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

If I want to bust out a narrow ski for icy conditions or groomers, is it better to go with a higher end stiff piste specific ski, or will a narrow all mountain soft ski be fine for that?

 

Such as a Rossignol Experience 75 vs a Rossignol Pursuit 800... the price point difference is dramatic.

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kulharin View Post

Hello,

If I want to bust out a narrow ski for icy conditions or groomers, is it better to go with a higher end stiff piste specific ski, or will a narrow all mountain soft ski be fine for that?

Such as a Rossignol Experience 75 vs a Rossignol Pursuit 800... the price point difference is dramatic.

What's your ability level? Of the two skis you mention, the pursuit is a much better ski for piste in all regards.
post #3 of 14
Rossi 75 intermediate ski?
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by mowmow View Post

Rossi 75 intermediate ski?


It's not in the same performance category as the Pursuit, or a number of other 70'something width performance skis a la something like a Head Rally. 

post #5 of 14


 A friend of mine has the E75. He is an intermediate and loves the skis for the groomers and light powder at Snowmass.

 

I wanted to demo the Pursuit 700 and 800 last season but couldn't find them to demo. There are many online and You Tube reviews of both skis They are both highly rated for their intended audience. The Pursuits are suggested for Advanced to Expert. The E75's for beginners to intermediates. The Pursuit's, being much stiffer would be the best choice for edge hold on very hard or icy groomers. ​

 

They are so far apart in ratings it should be easy for the OP to determine what would be the best for him depending on his ability and where he skis.

 

Good luck!

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 

I ski Revelstoke and am an advanced skier. We get a lot of snow, but the lower 1/3 of the mountain is usually crap and if it hasn't snowed in a week you won't want to go anywhere but the groomers.

 

Price is something I need to consider; the Pursuits are far more expensive. 

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kulharin View Post
 

I ski Revelstoke and am an advanced skier. We get a lot of snow, but the lower 1/3 of the mountain is usually crap and if it hasn't snowed in a week you won't want to go anywhere but the groomers.

 

Price is something I need to consider; the Pursuits are far more expensive. 


If you don't need to buy new, there are a number of super options, and for more flexibility, I'd go with a strong all-mountain.  Price is always an issue, naturally, but you might even look at a Kästle MX-88 — since the 88's discontinued this year, you'll find good (for Kästle) deals on new-old-stock, even better deals on ex-demo skis (that's what I'd look at). For edge-grip and smooth, powerful carving, it's hard to beat the MX — but you're looking at $729.00 for a used ski. Check out Powder7: http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/search.php?q=MX+88

 

The Pursuit's a great ski, too, from what I've heard — I haven't skied the 800, but I own a pair of the 18s, and they do hang on to a turn. 

 

The E75 might be ok, but it won't likely be enough ski for an advanced skier. The E88, on the other hand, might just do it for you.  Here's what, for instance, Powder7 has: http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/search.php?q=Rossignol+Experience+88+Skis  I'd be tempted more by a late model with the green air tip (which I've demoed — impressive ski).

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

I already have a ski 95 and 89 under foot, I am looking for something 70-80.

post #9 of 14

Kul, look for a pair of last season's Head Rebels iSpeed (not the supershape iSpeed, though they could work as well). It should be well discounted (model change for 16-17) if you can find one. Maybe ask Levy1 where he found his. Same goes for any non-FIS 18-22m GS ski. There really isn't anything better for piste skiing unless you want more turns. Then you go with and SL ski. 

post #10 of 14

Cheater race ski, or full on SL race ski depending on your preference.  Would be best out there for groomer specific skiing.

post #11 of 14

I have a pair of Pursuit 800's great ski but they defiantly like  speed and firmer snow. The 700's are a little softer and will be more forgiving and versitile but they are harder to get hold of.

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

How about Nordica Fire Arrow 76 or the K2 Charger?

 

I am also seeing something called a "Nordica Fire Arrow SP 78" for sale... which apparently doesn't even exist

post #13 of 14

IMHO, since this isn't your daily ski, get the best you can. There are deals out there on non-FIS GS skis. That's where I'd look, or for a pair of lightly used Head Rally's.

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

Kul, look for a pair of last season's Head Rebels iSpeed (not the supershape iSpeed, though they could work as well). It should be well discounted (model change for 16-17) if you can find one. Maybe ask Levy1 where he found his. Same goes for any non-FIS 18-22m GS ski. There really isn't anything better for piste skiing unless you want more turns. Then you go with and SL ski. 

 

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Cheater race ski, or full on SL race ski depending on your preference.  Would be best out there for groomer specific skiing.

 

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Originally Posted by Cockalorum View Post
 

I have a pair of Pursuit 800's great ski but they defiantly like  speed and firmer snow. The 700's are a little softer and will be more forgiving and versitile but they are harder to get hold of.

 

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

IMHO, since this isn't your daily ski, get the best you can. There are deals out there on non-FIS GS skis. That's where I'd look, or for a pair of lightly used Head Rally's.

 

Firstly, when skiing the groomers what sort of turns are you looking for; short radius or medium-to-longer turns?  That'll determine if you're after a cheater GS ski or a more slalom-like radius.

 

Secondly, are you looking to stay on the groomers most of the time, or would you like something that will also work for the occasional trip off piste, or maybe into some bumps?  That feeds into the character of the ski you're looking for.

 

Thirdly, are you looking to be 'on it' all the time or would you like the option to push hard, from time to time, but also to cruise at moderate pace much of the time?  That will sort out whether a slightly shorter, full-on race ski will suit your needs.

 

And, lastly, what characteristics do you like in a ski: damp v's lively, quick to initiate (or not), little bit of early rise (or not), lighter in feel or that glued-to-the-snow kind of thing (which I tend to associate with Atomic v's Head)?  That'll help sort out the brand of ski you're looking for.

 

I know I should wait for responses but, for mine, you're after something that is tailored for the groomers, with perhaps the ability to work ok in bumps / off piste.  For that role I've always liked the following skis:

  - Head Supershape iSpeed (not the World Cup Rebels version, which is a step up) or the Supershape Magnum;

  - Various versions of the Dynastar Speed series;

  - Fischer's Progressor series;

  - Fischer's RC4 Superior series; and

  - the Rossi Pursuit series is also in the mix.

 

My absolute top pick.  Slightly wider, but the Kastle MX78 would also fit the bill very nicely indeed.  I own that ski and it's incredibly versatile, yet carves up the groomers as well as you could possibly want.

 

Best of luck.

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