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post #31 of 60
I would go with a not too burly versatile frontside type ski 175-180cm. 75-90mm under foot. Avoid full rocker models. You will want some camber.

atomic vantage 85 cti
K2 ikonic ti
Salomon xdrive 8.3
Volkl rtm 81

Forget about mantra type skis for a couple years while you level up to more advanced technique. The jump in fun factor from a rental to any of the above will be a lot of fun and you want something to learn on.
Edited by tromano - 8/9/16 at 7:29pm
post #32 of 60

tromano listed a few good one there. Mostly front side oriented. That is not a bad thing. Technical improvements are generally made on the groomers first before the show is taken on the road. 

 

The Motive and Kendo are skis that I would pick for myself and I get a ton of ski days. They may not be the best choice for you. 

 

Another ski that may fit well is the Salomon Q90. That is a really smooth and compliant ski that will take you a long way without being punishing. Great ski to learn bumps with and decent float in crud and fresh snow. The 177 should be a good fit for you.         

post #33 of 60
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

Forget about mantra type skis for a couple years while you level up to more advanced technique. The jump in fun factor from a rental to any of the above will be a lot of fun and you want something to learn on.

 

Yes, I am thinking you are right about holding off a Mantra or even Kendo - and thanks for the front mountain list!

 

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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

tromano listed a few good one there. Mostly front side oriented. That is not a bad thing. Technical improvements are generally made on the groomers first before the show is taken on the road. 

 

The Motive and Kendo are skis that I would pick for myself and I get a ton of ski days. They may not be the best choice for you. 

 

 

Yeah - my issue though is that I get little time a year in polished groomers, and a lot in variable snow. If my local place was Deer Valley, I would go for a front side ski like tromano is suggesting. Give that the Motive is more forgiving than the Kendo it might be a good compromise where I can learn but also enjoy the mountain i get to ski on. Thanks!

post #34 of 60
An 85 to 90 is in your future... Or at least it should be.
post #35 of 60
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This review of the 

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An 85 to 90 is in your future... Or at least it should be.

 

How about the 2016 Fischer Motive 90? Anybody run this one? It looks like I can get them at a great price ($280). I love how many describe the Motives as skis that are accessible for the intermediate but offer a lot of performance for the better skier. I was looking at the Motive 95, but it would be a 23mm jump from the 72mm waist I was skiing last season. I really don't know how much 95 vs 90mm would affect, on the same ski ....

post #36 of 60

Fischer Motive 90 does not exsist. There's the 86 TI and the 95 TI. the 86 is more manageable and msy be more suited to your current skill set

post #37 of 60
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Fischer Motive 90 does not exsist. There's the 86 TI and the 95 TI. the 86 is more manageable and msy be more suited to your current skill set

 

Ouch, I meant the 2016 Rangers 90 TI @ 179cm ... thanks for spotting that!

post #38 of 60

The Ranger series is mucch more soft snow oriented than the Motive. For improving your technical skills, I would take the Motive 86 over any of the Rangers. The Rangers will hold a very nice edge (for a freeride ski), but nothing like the Motive (86, the 95 is also very much freeride oriented, although many Western US gys will probably disagree... but hey, that's why you guys have trump as a canidate in a presidential race, I guess).... 

post #39 of 60

Ranger is a lighter weight, more soft snow biased ski. You might contact Philpug via PM or at his site, pugski.com. 

 

Myself, I'd say a Dynastar powertrack 89 would be a good bet for a good all around Tahoe ski that would get it done in crud and piste while not kicking you in the pants would be one of my first thoughts.

post #40 of 60

The PT-89 is a good choice. Tip and tail rockers makes it more forgiving. Still decent on groom.

The Salomon Q90 is very similar in profile and a bit softer still. Good ski to learn bumps with.

 

Definitely not the Motive 86. That ski is stiffer than the last gen Kendo. I have both. If you do go with the Motive 86, mount it at least a cm forward so you can get on the tips. .       

post #41 of 60
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

The PT-89 is a good choice. Tip and tail rockers makes it more forgiving. Still decent on groom.

The Salomon Q90 is very similar in profile and a bit softer still. Good ski to learn bumps with.

 

Definitely not the Motive 86. That ski is stiffer than the last gen Kendo. I have both. If you do go with the Motive 86, mount it at least a cm forward so you can get on the tips. .       

 

Ah Ok, thank you so much. I looked into some reviews of both, and I think I would like the PT better. Would the 179cm be too short? I know it skis short based on reviews. I am asking because I found a great deal on that size. Next size would be 186 cm. I haven't found a deal on that one yet ...

post #42 of 60

get yourself a good FS skis which later when you would get more confortable, you compliment with something wider and more soft snow oriented (by that time you would now what you want).

Meanwhile:

Salomon X-Drive 8.0 177 or Enduro 850

Blizzard X-power 8.0

Nordica Fire Arrow 76 ti or 84(actually great ski, but maybe to stiff for you, need to test)

Volkl RTM 81 or 84

Blizzard Magnum ti 8.0

Atomic Blackeye ti

Kastle MX 83 <---- $$$$$$$$$$

 

Check, if you could demo any of it, if not and the price is right, just take any, they are all good (in general, some are even great). Another 40 days on these with some lessons, and you would know what to get to compliment these.

Many people have more than 1 pair for different conditions;

post #43 of 60

Of the skis mentioned by Oleg, get the Salomon X-Drive 8.0 FS (Full Sandwich & Sidewall) in 182. Great ski: smooth (not too demanding right now) yet powerful (great performance when you progress). Despite its rellatively narrow waist (for an allmountain ski), it does a great job in soft snow too. Skied it in foot-deep powder without any problem. And on European hardpack they are simply at the top of the non-race skis out there. 

post #44 of 60
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Originally Posted by mendieta View Post

Ah Ok, thank you so much. I looked into some reviews of both, and I think I would like the PT better. Would the 179cm be too short? I know it skis short based on reviews. I am asking because I found a great deal on that size. Next size would be 186 cm. I haven't found a deal on that one yet ...

Length... Tis really depends on how fast you ski. When these came out, I skied them at an industry demo in a 179. I thought in that length that they were pretty quick, fun without being squirrelly, and a blast in bumps. I'm 5'11" and was about #205 at the time, PSIA L3, etc..., At you current ability level, I think the 179 would work, and the 186 would feel nice easy cruising, but perhaps hold you back a bit if you're aiming to ski bumps, etc.., length buys stability at higher speeds at the expense of some maneuverability until you have better technical skills. FWIW, I thought/think it's a very versatile ski design that will take you right up tomthe top of the skill set ladder. Bottom line is there are a number of great skis out there in the 80-90 width category, so it's pretty hard to go wrong unless you make a mistake with length. The Powertrack came to mind as being very versatile and easy to ski.
post #45 of 60
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No one thinks that a 100mm, fully rockered ski is a bad choice for someone who has skied 2 years/40 days and had "a couple of lessons"? Someone who's "goal this year is to improve carving and generally speaking technique"??? Really? No one??

I agree with WR
Get a mid 80s ski with some camber. Learn to carve. Everything else follows that. 80s is plenty wide for crud and 3D snow.
post #46 of 60
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

No one thinks that a 100mm, fully rockered ski is a bad choice for someone who has skied 2 years/40 days and had "a couple of lessons"? Someone who's "goal this year is to improve carving and generally speaking technique"??? Really? No one??


This. 

If leaning heavily toward the Mantra, I'd go with the baby brother the Kendo before the Mantra in this situation but there are other skis that are better yet.  

post #47 of 60
One ski I loved at Mt Rose was the Enforcer 90, it's still an expert ski, so maybe not the right choice for an intermediate, but it is not as demanding as you would expect based on the specs. A 90 mm ski is the right segment to look at, almost all of them are very good these days.

PS. I did with KingGrump. Based on your self -assessment, he is a much better skier, so his impressions of a ski may differ from yours quite a bit.
post #48 of 60
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 

 

Nordica Fire Arrow 76 ti or 84(actually great ski, but maybe to stiff for you, need to test)

 

I know nothing about these skis but I did see that REI has them(176) on sale. I don't know if this is a good price or not but in case you are interested.

https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/887606/nordica-firearrow-84-pro-skis-with-bindings-mens-20142015

post #49 of 60

You do not need a Firearrow 84 Ti. It will NOT help you become a better skier at this point. The Firearrow pro could work (a fine ski), but be aware that it won't be as forgiving as a ski with a bit more tip rocker. The 176 would be the right length in this ski though. You stated in post 1 that you wanted a ski for piste and crud... just shooting for your narrative. 

post #50 of 60
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

You do not need a Firearrow 84 Ti. It will NOT help you become a better skier at this point. The Firearrow pro could work (a fine ski), but be aware that it won't be as forgiving as a ski with a bit more tip rocker. The 176 would be the right length in this ski though. You stated in post 1 that you wanted a ski for piste and crud... just shooting for your narrative. 


Yes! I actually deeply appreciate all responses and ideas. It is helping me in the search, and I _love_ talking skiing when I can't be skiing :) So thank you, all.

 

As the thread evolved, I got to realize that I was shooting too high: I was looking for the best skis. And guess what, those are for the best skiers (many of you are lucky to be in that group), and not for me, today. So I already ruled out the Mantras and Kendos, etc.

 

However, to Alex's point above, Mt Rose is a bit on the natural/rough side, so a 90 underfoot would make the whole thing more enjoyable. The "groomers" are rarely manicured. A lot of the time there is crud and sometimes even natural bumps. Plus, I am on the tall and heavy side, so I both can afford (because of size), but also kinda need (because of the conditions in which I ski), skis slightly stiffer and wider than otherwise I would. 

 

It seems like there are two separate schools of thought in all these (very helpful) posts:

 

* a  groomer in the mid 80-85's, or 

* a narrower, rockered all mountain around 90 wide, with a camber and good carving

 

I think both will allow me to learn, and I'm sure both would be fine, but I have a hunch that the second option will allow me to have more fun and do stuff that I find fascinating, such as getting on the natural snow around the piste a bit.

 

So, I will focus on that option (90 mm all mountain). Very likely I will get the Dynastar Powertrack 89 @ 179, though it's hard to spot a deal on those. If anyone has recommendations for similar all mountains I would love to hear. I'll check out the Nordica Enforcer 90 mentioned by Alex, but point well taken, it might be too much at this stage, I'll check some reviews. 

 

Thank you all for hanging on with me!

post #51 of 60
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Pulled the trigger on the Powertrack 89's @ 179 (from Vermont Ski and Sports). Where is the champagne? Thank you all for the help. I'll try to remember to update this thread once I get them. I can't wait for the snow. I really can't. 

 

Cheers!

Mendieta

post #52 of 60
Congratulations, @mendieta. Those sound like a good pair of skis. Hope you have fun on the slope 😀
post #53 of 60
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Congratulations, @mendieta. Those sound like a good pair of skis. Hope you have fun on the slope 😀

 

Thank a bunch @lott42 ! Cheers!

post #54 of 60
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Originally Posted by mendieta View Post
 

Pulled the trigger on the Powertrack 89's @ 179 (from Vermont Ski and Sports). Where is the champagne? Thank you all for the help. I'll try to remember to update this thread once I get them. I can't wait for the snow. I really can't. 

 

Cheers!

Mendieta

 

I live in Reno.  Give me a shout and maybe we can meet up for some turns

On Pugski, we have a champagne emoji 

:toast 

post #55 of 60
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

 

I live in Reno.  Give me a shout and maybe we can meet up for some turns

On Pugski, we have a champagne emoji 

:toast 

 

Sounds great, will do! Thanks! (and lucky you, not a bad place for a skier :))

post #56 of 60
Thread Starter 

The skis are here! I can't wait. Seriously.

 

Super fast shipping from Vermont Ski and Sport! Kudos for that. Also, I ordered Marker Griffon 90mm bindings from Evo, they had a great deal. Should be here any day. It's a good day!

post #57 of 60
Oh, those days are going to feel long now!

Congratulations on the new skis!
post #58 of 60
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Originally Posted by mendieta View Post
 

The skis are here! I can't wait. Seriously.

 

Super fast shipping from Vermont Ski and Sport! Kudos for that. Also, I ordered Marker Griffon 90mm bindings from Evo, they had a great deal. Should be here any day. It's a good day!

 

 

Let us know how they work! I thought they were just really fun skis. We have a couple of our staff trainers on them (I have no affiliation with Dynastar), and PSIA demo team member Jeb Boyd skis the heck out of them. 

post #59 of 60
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Oh, those days are going to feel long now!

 

Tell me about it! I think it's scary, but yesterday I was checking the patchskiing thread! 

 

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Congratulations on the new skis!
 

Thanks! I feel like a kid again, and isn't that part of the fun. Being a big kid, playing in the snow ...


Edited by mendieta - 8/15/16 at 9:08pm
post #60 of 60
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for the help with these skis. I did want to update the group, now that they used it. Less than ideal conditions in Mt Rose (Nov 15/16 in a dry November). These skis were a BLAST. So much damper in crud than the old rentals. So much more supportive (float) in soft snow. Much more stable, and even better for carving. Just like @markojp anticipated, they were a lot of fun around. Forgiving and easy to move around in bumps (I still need to learn bumps, but I did much better than with the old rentals). 

 

I couldn't be happier. Thank you all, once again. 

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