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My current backcountry AT ski touring equipment is too heavy, I'm changing it up and looking for advice and suggestions. Should I get lighter AT gear or switch to telemark?

post #1 of 9
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I am currently in the process of revamping my backcountry ski touring setup. What I have now is too heavy and cumbersome. I am looking for suggestions. I'm trying to keep costs under control as well. I would classify my skill level as an experienced backcountry skiier. 

 
Current setup: Scarpa Skookum boots. K2 Coomback 188 skis. Full length Black Diamond Nylon Ascension skins. Diamir Fritschi Vipec 12 bindings. 
 
I weigh 140lb. My trips are multi day and distance oriented. I always have an 35lb pack on while skiing. I'm usually alone breaking trail. I'm not out to make turns, I'm looking to get from point A to B. 
 
Trees, brush, valleys, rolling hills, some passes and the occasional windswept bulletproof ridgeline are where I ski. I avoid avalanche terrain. I rarely lock my heels down in the bindings. 
 
Currently I kick wax the middle of the Coombacks and only use the skins for steep ascents over passes and on wind slab. The skins add a tremendous amount of drag and weight. If it wasn't for the waxing I wouldn't get very far. 
 
I was considering going the backcountry tele route. Something like Scarpa T4 boots, Voile Switchback bindings and Fischer S bound skis with kicker skins. 

The more natural flex and movement of a tele boot would be nice. I would like a pair of Alico Mod Double leather tele boots. They have a removable liner. Unfortunately I can't find them in my size 8.5. Scarpa Wasatch boots would work too, but they don't have a removable liner. 
 
Thing is at 3lb 4oz the Scarpa T4 boots are getting close to being as heavy as my current Scarpa Skookums (4lb 2oz)
 
I've also considered getting a light race AT boot like the La Sportiva Sideral (2lb 9oz) or the Garmont Literider G-Fit (2lb 10oz). 
 
My line of reasoning with the race AT boots is I already have the Fritschi tech bindings. 
 
I'm open to any and all suggestions.
 
I think it's worth noting that prior to this heavy AT setup I exclusively used a very basic cross country ski and NNN BC boots/bindings. With it being so light in hindsight I had more fun on that simple and cheap gear than I do with my current heavy equipment. I was able to access many remote areas, but of course had little to no control on any downhills. 
 
For a ski I want a waxless scaled base. 
 
I live in Northwestern Wyoming so if anyone wants to work out a trade for some different gear I'm open to that.
 
Thanks.
 
post #2 of 9

I ditched my Scarpa T-3s (now T-4s) and T-2s and tele bindings (the full range thereof) in favor of tech bindings.  I have Dynafit, Marker, and Plum.  If I were to buy a new pair for touring I'd get the Dynafit Superlite 2 (can add and remove brakes).  I bought Voile Vector BC (patterned skis) to replace my Karhu, Fischer, and Salomon pattern skis; the Vectors are extremely versatile; I have Pomoca climb pro guides for them as well.  I use Dynafit TLT6 boots, there are other good light weight boots too including Scarpa and La Sportiva.  If waxless skis are not necessary, I would recommend the Dynafit Cho Oyus, which I have, the Movement Vertex (I have the fatter Shifts), or the Blizzard G85 or G95 depending on your emphasis on light weight or flotation.  Watch sales, now is a good time to buy.  No tele setup (I tele'd for 25 years) can match a tech AT setup for performance, versatility, and weight.

post #3 of 9

Look into nnn BC bindings and boots for those bindings.  Should be more along the lines of what you need.  Look into some fish scale skis-voile makes some nice ones.

 

Sell all of your other stuff it has some value.

 

Of your current set up, change out the boots first and the skis second.

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

I do want a scaled ski. I'll get skins for them too but most of the time the skins will stay in my pack. 



 



I like the look of the Voile Vector BC ski. Second Ascent has them for $400 right now.



I wonder if I should be looking at a longer and skinnier ski as it'll be easier to move through deep snow. Any thoughts on a ski like the Rossignol BC 110? It's roughly half the price of the Voile skis. 



 



Andy, how do you like your Pomoca climb pro guides? 



 



I took a look at the Dynafit Superlite 2 bindings. Those look awesome. A set of those paired with a lightweight AT boot is probably a light as I'll get. I wouldn't put the brakes on so that'll reduce the weight a little. Spendy though. 



 



I do currently have a pair of Rossignol NNN backcountry boots and bindings. I could put those on a ski like the Voile Vector. I just won't have much control on the downhills. 



I do like the more natural foot flex I get with the Rossi NNN boots. 



 



Thanks for the replies. 



 



 

post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by Vic G View Post
 

I do want a scaled ski. I'll get skins for them too but most of the time the skins will stay in my pack. 

 

​as they do mine; just a safety factor.

 

 

 

I like the look of the Voile Vector BC ski. Second Ascent has them for $400 right now.

you won't be disappointed.

I wonder if I should be looking at a longer and skinnier ski as it'll be easier to move through deep snow. Any thoughts on a ski like the Rossignol BC 110? It's roughly half the price of the Voile skis. 

 

The vectors work great in deep snow, esp with tech bindings as they allow the tail to drop & shovel to rise; I haven't skied the BC 110 but have heard good things about them.

 

Andy, how do you like your Pomoca climb pro guides? 

 

By far the best skins I've had so far, even just a little better than my Dynafit skins.

 

 

I took a look at the Dynafit Superlite 2 bindings. Those look awesome. A set of those paired with a lightweight AT boot is probably a light as I'll get. I wouldn't put the brakes on so that'll reduce the weight a little. Spendy though. 

 

The brakes are supposed to be easily put on and removed--I like brakes for deep snow, leashes for hard snow; they are spend; often this time of year you can get a little discount; I think I can get a pro-deal and replace the Speed Radicals on my Chos with the supernates.

 

 

 

I do currently have a pair of Rossignol NNN backcountry boots and bindings. I could put those on a ski like the Voile Vector. I just won't have much control on the downhills. 

 

That's the problem.  I love NNN-BC for groomed trails and flat country touring.

 

I do like the more natural foot flex I get with the Rossi NNN boots. 

 

Developing a good kick and glide technique (even climbing technique) with tech bindings takes some practice, once developed it is superior climbing over NNN (given the totally free pivot) and just a little less abnormal XC.

 

 

 

Thanks for the replies. 

 

 

 

 

post #6 of 9

Some thoughts-

 

You are all across the board performance wise.  Rossi BC series and T-4s vs Siderail/Vectors/vipecs.  The The Vector/Vipec combo is stout enough to survival ski anything, and have fun on most things.

 

I own Vector BC's mounted tele.  It is an awesome rig.  There is very little I can ski that I can't ski with them.I use my T-1s.  I have also accompanied recreational cross country skiers on maintained flattish terrain.  And I walk the dog out my back door and link turns back to the house.  But, as soon as you go tele, you give up light weight.

 

Boots- I ski Skookums for lift serve.  If your feet like Skookums, it can be tricky finding the right boot.  FWIW, my light BC boot is La sportiva Spectres.  First Gen was narrow, these are not.  A boot with an easy tour mode like the siderail would rock with this set up.  If the new Siderail fits like the Spectre, you should be able to make it work.

 

Bindings-  With the fishscale ski, the Vipec is a great choice. Easy ski/tour/ski switches, as opposed to Dynafit.  IMHO, worth the weight penalty.

 

Personally, I love my T-1/Switchback/Vector BC combo.  Being able to ski with boot/binding in ski mode, then shuffle a bit with no adjustments works great for the type of exploring I do.  Dense Maine woods- link 3-4 turns, traverse a bit for the next opening....  But they are tanks compared to Spectre/Speed Radicals/carbon converts.  If I scaled the ski down to the next width down BD carbon ski, the difference would be even greater.  

 

If you want light and versatile.

Race type AT

Lightest binding with easy ski/walk/ski

Vector BC.

 

I would also look at the V6 bc.

post #7 of 9

I have the Rossi BC110's w/ Rottafella Magnums and BCX-10 boots.

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Originally Posted by Vic G View Post 
 
I weigh 140lb. My trips are multi day and distance oriented. I always have an 35lb pack on while skiing. I'm usually alone breaking trail. I'm not out to make turns, I'm looking to get from point A to B. 
 
Trees, brush, valleys, rolling hills, some passes and the occasional windswept bulletproof ridgeline are where I ski. I avoid avalanche terrain. I rarely lock my heels down in the bindings. 
  .
 

 

 

I have the Rossi BC110's w/ Rottafella Magnums and BCX-10 boots as my out the backdoor ski. It's perfect for what you are describing above.

 

My dog breaks trail.

 

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

I have an update. Finally put together my backcountry ski gear for this year. Wanted to share in case someone else finds this useful. I got Fischer S-Bound 112 skis 169cm long. They have a full sintered base. I can hot wax the entire ski including the scales. 


They are also double cambered and have excellent glide. The base material Fischer uses is also tough and resistant to going over roots and rocks. I'll use them with the Fischer EZ Skin system. It's rare that I'll need the skins but when I do they'll be enough. And the shorter length skin won't weigh as much. They are a mohair mix and are supposed to glide well.



I paired the skis with Rossi NNN BC bindings and boots I already had. I went with this boot/binding combo to save weight, improve comfort and save money. I came to the conclusion that when I go downhill I end up using the grade to gain distance. This setup will work perfectly for what I want to do. Coasting slowly down the side of a mountain rather than taking the shortest line to the bottom. The skis were brand new and leftover from last year. I picked them up for $300. Sold my heavy AT gear and had money left over. It all worked out.



Thanks for the advice. 

post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by Vic G View Post
 

I have an update. Finally put together my backcountry ski gear for this year. Wanted to share in case someone else finds this useful. I got Fischer S-Bound 112 skis 169cm long. They have a full sintered base. I can hot wax the entire ski including the scales. 

 

Err - scales can be beastly to clean out; I only use spray-ons, rub-ons or liquids on mine.   http://www.maxiglide.com/  <- the classic

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