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post #31 of 55
There are Attack 16 & STH 16 available also but in your case I would not use anything less than a din 13 binding
post #32 of 55
Thread Starter 

Ok thanks, so attack 13's on the Patron 185'S would likely be a great option? Better then all the other options I've put forward by the looks of it...

post #33 of 55
Yeah they will do the job and not be too heavy, plus they are priced well too
post #34 of 55

Attack 13s are  great bindings. Light. Low to the deck. Easy in. You won't go wrong with them. Plus, the price is great for the quality/performmance you get. 

 

My family uses mostly Attack 13/16 and STH 13/16. One Pivot/FKS 18 fanatic (for sensible reasons).  All are great, but the Attack is probably the current favorite.

post #35 of 55

not sure.. but some people, including me, prefer to have personal DIN setting somewhere in the middle of the binding DIN range. 

P.S. most manufacturer did switch to:

5-13

7-16

I think look still does up to 12, 14, 18

 

If you won't go further than 10, just don't buy 10 or 11 DIN limitation, 12 should be really sufficient. 

post #36 of 55
I agree with near on not choosing a Marker Royal family binding for a powder biased ski. Just not fun to step in to half way down an untracked slope. Upon another bear's recommendation, I had Attack 13s installed on my new Volkl 100Eights this past spring. I'm loving them. Highly recommended.

Speaking of the 100Eights, I personally think they should be on the OP's short list of considerations, given the criteria set forth in this thread. Great ski; my all time favorite of the skis I've owned in the last 30 years. They replace the Gotamas, my previous all time favorite, as the powder ski in my traveling duet. Great in crud. Which if we can be honest with ourselves, is what passes for powder these days once the first wave of powder hounds has scoured the mountain in all of 15 minutes of a morning. They are fine in untracked, probably up to 12" or so, but I like to be more "in" the powder than "on" the powder. Probably because I learned powder on skinny skis. I have a pair of 118 mm underfoot JJs, but find them too specialized for all day use, and don't make sense in my travel quiver.

As to the suitability of 13 DIN bindings, the conventional wisdom is to find bindings where your own setting is about in the middle of the range. For the OP, that would tend to be more like 13 than 11 or 12.
post #37 of 55

+1 on the Aattacks — I have two pair of the 13s and love them whenever I click in. The Patron has a huge reputation, too, which it's had for years. Great choices.

post #38 of 55

I have an ON3P vicik in a 186(106mm). it's a 2013/14 model and has the tour layup with extra carbon.  I skied it as daily driver at RMR.

 

It floats enough for in bounds powder days, has tons of edge for the groomers, stiff and stable enough for the chop and nimble enough for the trees.

 

Mounted with FKS pivots 14's and is in great condition. Bindings are new last season and have seen maybe 10 days.

 

I'd only interested in selling because I want to size up to the Wrenegade 112.

 

If your interested in it, I live in kelowna and will be in revy next weekend.

 

actually have 2 pairs of Billy Goats as well in 186 if you want one of those.

post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by surfacehoar View Post

actually have 2 pairs of Billy Goats as well in 186 if you want one of those.

This is another great choice for the OP to compliment his K2 pinnacles and the seller is in Kanukistan
post #40 of 55

+1 on BG, it was never in the play because of the cost. Usually, BG cost more than Patron (or any main manufacturer ski company product).

BG new cost about $700 and I had never seen it on sale (not even 10% off).

P.S. 186 is 2014 or earlier, I believe On3p went to size 184 and 190 from 2015 and now.

post #41 of 55

I have seen BG's on sale.  You just need to start looking at the ON3P site towards the end of February to catch the few pair they sell for $499ish.

post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post
 

I have seen BG's on sale.  You just need to start looking at the ON3P site towards the end of February to catch the few pair they sell for $499ish.

oh, correction " I had never seen On3P BG on sale in the correct size"

Usually 164, 174 and sometimes 179 are available on sale, 184 and 189 are sold out before Feb. (but we are off topic)

post #43 of 55
I didnt read the whole thread but sounds like a automic automatic 117 would be perfect. Or possibly a 109 if you prefer. Somewhere in 180+ length
post #44 of 55
Thread Starter 

Would the Nordica enforcer 100 have too much overlap with the Pinnacle 95's?

post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Kulharin View Post

Would the Nordica enforcer 100 have too much overlap with the Pinnacle 95's?
Yes,....
or get it and get rid of the pinnacle you will want the 185 length they ski short
post #46 of 55

I ski a lot of the kind of terrain you like on a pair of 177's with lighter bindings.  I am 5'11" and 200lbs.  The shorter length does indeed make it a bit easier to maneuver in tight spaces.  I much prefer maneuverability to stability.  Having said that 185 is a good length, but a bit shorter won't kill you.

post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by crank View Post

I ski a lot of the kind of terrain you like on a pair of 177's with lighter bindings.  I am 5'11" and 200lbs.  The shorter length does indeed make it a bit easier to maneuver in tight spaces.  I much prefer maneuverability to stability.  Having said that 185 is a good length, but a bit shorter won't kill you.

The 177 is a good length -- I'm shorter and 30 lbs. lighter, and the 177 is a quick-turning ski for me. (Don't let anyone detune them, though.)
post #48 of 55
Thread Starter 

How would the Sir Francis Bacon's 108 2014 compare with the Line Sick Day 110, Atomic Automatic 109 and Nordica Patron 113? Just saw these skis for sale at a good price.

 

The Atomic Automatic 109 182cm have also presented themselves as an option, though at a higher price point.


Edited by Kulharin - 7/27/16 at 3:10pm
post #49 of 55
Thread Starter 
So I'm either gonna go for 2016 Atomic Automatic 109 @ 182cm or the 2016 Nordica Patron @ 177cm / 185 cm.

Patron 177 $350 Canadian
Patron 185 $430 Canadian
Atomic 182 $510 Canadian new or $500 for demo skis which include atomic ffg 12 bindings.

I ski Revelstoke where we get a lot of snow, but conditions change rapidly and going back to the car to change skis is a pain in the ass.
post #50 of 55
The Auto 109 demo sounds like a decent deal, assuming they haven't been beaten to hell. How much use have they had?

Again my 2 cents is the Auto 109 is better in crud and variable conditions, the Patron has the advantage in powder. I think both are nimble enough for trees.
post #51 of 55
FFG 12 is old binding (few years old) if atomic is the same age or close to the binding, I would not bet much on good condition, ask for a lot of pictures if deal is online
post #52 of 55
Thread Starter 

Will the Automic 109's and Patron 113's ride like a very different ski from one another?

 

Coming from the BBR 8.9 and Pinnacle 95's, which ski will I likely enjoy more in big mountain conditions that often start as powder days, but turn variable within a few hours due to temperature swings and lots of skiers chewing up the terrain. 

post #53 of 55
Thread Starter 

After much consideration I decided to go with the Atomic Automatic 109 in a 182cm... seems like a nice length for me... not too long... not too short... and I'll pick up some Aaattack 13's for em. The main reason I went with the Automatic's over the Patron is that it appears to be a much lighter ski, slightly stiffer and a bit better for chop and variable conditions...

 

The problem with Revelstoke is that during peak season and weekends the crowds chew up the powder pretty quick on the mountain... there are a number of narrow terrain choke points coming off the big mountain terrain that skiers need to funnel through where it gets tracked and icy quickly... also snow conditions vary a lot from upper to mid to low mountain... as conditions change through the day it's also a pain in the ass to go back to your car to change skis.

 

I think the Patron would be great for mid week mornings and early - late season pow days... but it's a busy mountain now, it gets tracked fast and winds, and temperature give you varied snow conditions across the entire mountain.

 

If I was living in Nelson and skiing at a place like White Water I would have certainly taken the Patron's 

post #54 of 55

Great choice! The automatics are a fantastic ski. 

post #55 of 55
Thread Starter 

I received them today, they look quite fun.  And actually seem to have a bit more camber than the Pinnacle 95's, at least in the tip.

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