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So, this has turned into a skinny ski vs fat ski thread. Who could of guessed?:snowfight

sorry, (summer :hissyfit: ). But I believe, I've seen somewhere on epic a recomendation to have like 2 or 3 paris

 

1. 70 - 105 - infinity

2. 90 - 105->110

3 98 or 100 <-- single pair

 

I guess good example for #3 would be:

Fischer Ranger 98ti

Volkl Mantra

Blizzard Bonafide

Armada Invictus 95ti

(many more... )


Not enough Skis!

Just for hard snow alone you need at least six skis enough skis to cover the range of speeds and associated turn radii: Cheater SL (11-m), SL, Cheater GS (15-18 m), GS, (27-35) SG (35-40) and DH .  You also need a bump specific ski.  Then you need a range of skis to cover different speeds and slopes (e.g.  a nice fat ski so you won't get bogged down when the slope is slight, a charger for going mach schnell,  A softer one for moderate speeds..  The correct number is X+1, where X is the number you currently own.

 

P.S. back in the day some non-skilled folk managed to ski deep snow simply by skiing faster and "carving" (banking?) long radius turns. 

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Yup, If I ever win the Lotto, I'm hiring a ski caddy.:D  No point in having a quiver if you don't have access to it.

post #64 of 68

Short answer, as others have said already: How deep you can ski in powder with a 100mm underfoot ski depends entirely on your skill set.

 

Your skill set will also determine at what depth it begins to change from fun to work.

 

I have skied deep days at our local hill (which has been known to get a little powder occasionally) on skis that were 78mm underfoot. My personal best on those skis was 3ft of untouched. And it was fun. An extended face shot every turn. You don't have to see your skis to ski on 'em, and they'll turn nicely when decambered and tipped, even if they're two feet under.

 

These days, though, my daily driver is 96mm underfoot. Since I only weigh about 165, I generally find that to be adequate. But what do I know? You might want 120mm. Or not. If you're lucky enough to be out west when a storm hits, demo and see what you like. That's the only way to find out for sure.

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When is somthing like a 24m radius a 'deep side cut'?


Wthen you compare them with full reverse?  :D

 

 

Just 'cause of the thread title - the deepest turns of my life were a legit set of chest deep turns. On 136 wide skis....

post #66 of 68
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Short answer, as others have said already: How deep you can ski in powder with a 100mm underfoot ski depends entirely on your skill set.

 

Your skill set will also determine at what depth it begins to change from fun to work.

 

I have skied deep days at our local hill (which has been known to get a little powder occasionally) on skis that were 78mm underfoot. My personal best on those skis was 3ft of untouched. And it was fun. An extended face shot every turn. You don't have to see your skis to ski on 'em, and they'll turn nicely when decambered and tipped, even if they're two feet under.

 

These days, though, my daily driver is 96mm underfoot. Since I only weigh about 165, I generally find that to be adequate. But what do I know? You might want 120mm. Or not. If you're lucky enough to be out west when a storm hits, demo and see what you like. That's the only way to find out for sure.


My deepest day was on 78mm (I think) skis in bottomless powder, and I mean bottomless.  Face shots were so common that I had trouble getting a breath several times.  The skis worked great and the skiing seemed easy.  This was in 2002 the Saturday after MLK day.  I'll never forget it.

 

Today I have some 88s and 101s.  They probably would work better, but those Rossi Mountain Vipers did a great job.

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My deepest day was on 78mm (I think) skis in bottomless powder, and I mean bottomless.  Face shots were so common that I had trouble getting a breath several times.  The skis worked great and the skiing seemed easy.  This was in 2002 the Saturday after MLK day.  I'll never forget it.

 

Today I have some 88s and 101s.  They probably would work better, but those Rossi Mountain Vipers did a great job.

 

Under the circumstances, and given the topic, I'm gonna say that I think we can safely call those 78s "cheater skis". :D

post #68 of 68

Everybody used to ski race-narrow skis in powder, perhaps ones with lots of flex (and bounce), and these did great for many, and me too in powder for.......40-50 years?

The first Head Standards (early sixties?), for example, were soft enough to be good in powder (of almost any depth).  My other favorites (from ~1987?) were also narrow, some  Atomic freestyle dance/ballet skis - they were otherwise very flexy, good trampolines in 3+ feet.  

 

I admit, I sorta struggled on my old g.s. race skis in powder.   

 

It isn't really a question of whether a certain width ski will work well (with the right skills).   For example, Nordica Enforcer 100s "work" very well there, as well as anything in that width, to me.   But they are down in the snow, whereas a pair of K2 Pinnacle 118s (Seth's ski), has a very similar "carve" feel in 2+ feet as the Enforcers, but, to me, otherwise a different feel and different float in powder - and more fun.   To me, Enforcer excellent, Pinnacle 118 way better, subjectively speaking.   And ditto with many other fatter skis:  (for me) 184 Volkl Katana 112, 186 Atomic Automatic 117, 189 K2 Pettitor 120, etc. For example:   (From Skiers Junction gear reviews)

 

 

"2017 K2 PETITOR SKI :D

 

"Featuring a new tip Rocker radius to pump out more shovel, the most well-rounded pow ski on the market is ready to take on any feature. Built with the stiffness flex profile in the Shreditor series and combined with Powder Rocker, the Pettitor 120 Freeride Ski thrives in the deep but loves to devour crud and firm snow conditions as well."

FreeskierEditorsChoice

 

 

 

Radius: 22m @ 179

Construction: Triaxial Braid, TwinTech Sidewall, Fir/Aspen Core

Binding Options: Flat

Features: Powder Tip, Skin Grommets Tapered Tip and Tail, Swap Base

Baseline: Powder Rocker

Skin Type: Trim-to-Fit

Dimensions: 147/120/141

Sizes Offered: 169, 179, 189"

 

Exactly.  [I apologize, this post is partly to add skiing pizazzz to my drab summer hiking/biking existence.]   


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