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post #31 of 48

Wilcat takes off the chairs and puts on the old Gondolas for summer rides. I hiked the 5 Wilcat peaks last weekend and was shocked to see Gondolas on the lift. I thought they scrapped them years ago. 

Also, never realized there was a viewing platform about 100 verticle feet above the lifts via the Wilcat Ridge hiking trail.

 

Adams and Jefferson

and looking South from Wilcat A Peak

post #32 of 48
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Wilcat takes off the chairs and puts on the old Gondolas for summer rides. I hiked the 5 Wilcat peaks last weekend and was shocked to see Gondolas on the lift. I thought they scrapped them years ago. 

Also, never realized there was a viewing platform about 100 verticle feet above the lifts via the Wilcat Ridge hiking trail.

 

 

Adams and Jefferson

and looking South from Wilcat A Peak

Great pics!  Thanks for the info.

 

Can certainly understand using gondolas instead of chairs during the summer.  That's a long, fast ride to the top of Wildcat.  I imagine most summer tourists who don't ski would think twice about doing it on an open chair.

 

I keep wondering when Sugar in NC will use gondolas on the lift that was installed recently.  Not much point to pay extra for the capability if they don't use it.  So far, only bought one gondola that was set up for VIPs during the opening day ceremony.

post #33 of 48
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Can certainly understand using gondolas instead of chairs during the summer.  That's a long, fast ride to the top of Wildcat.  I imagine most summer tourists who don't ski would think twice about doing it on an open chair.

Wildcat runs the gondolas at a much slower speed during the summer than they run the chairs in winter.

post #34 of 48
They alternate a gondola and a chair here, probably for those who can't tolerate heights. The gondolas aren't used in the winter, probably due to wind.
post #35 of 48
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Didn't realize that Killington only recently added a bunch of stuff to their summer Adventure Center.  The ropes course looks pretty standard, but hadn't seen a Terra-Maze before.  The new dual zip lines definitely look like fun because they are longer than most.  Summer Adventure season pass is $179, day pass is $69 without zip line or gondola ride.  Can see where they can make money June-Sept.

 

post #36 of 48

Killington has 2 lifts running for MTB & scenic rides everyday (Snowshed & K-1 gondola). Soon to add a 3rd lift for MTB (Ramshead). As for their Adventure Center they have a mountain coaster, sky ride, terra tubing, bungie jump, rope course, maze & a few other attractions included in the Adventure Center pass. The zip line & sky jump cost a few bucks extra as does a scenic ride on K-1. Their Peak Lodge is open everyday for lunch & Fri.-Sat. evenings for dinner. Multiple events & concerts all summer too. I'm not a summer visitor but have been hearing a lot of positive news about the goings on at K in the off season. They were open for both skiing, mountain biking & the Adventure Center on the last weekend of skiing this year.

post #37 of 48
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I forget where but I read they plan on making trails & opening the mountain triple next year for downhill MTB riding.

 

They don't tell us employees crap. Maybe @epic knows more. He's a big MTBer. 

post #38 of 48
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They don't tell us employees crap. Maybe @epic knows more. He's a big MTBer. 


http://www.newenglandskiindustry.com/viewstory.php?storyid=310

 

Also heard they are teaming up with Gravity Logic to design trails.

post #39 of 48
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Killington has 2 lifts running for MTB & scenic rides everyday (Snowshed & K-1 gondola). Soon to add a 3rd lift for MTB (Ramshead). As for their Adventure Center they have a mountain coaster, sky ride, terra tubing, bungie jump, rope course, maze & a few other attractions included in the Adventure Center pass. The zip line & sky jump cost a few bucks extra as does a scenic ride on K-1. Their Peak Lodge is open everyday for lunch & Fri.-Sat. evenings for dinner. Multiple events & concerts all summer too. I'm not a summer visitor but have been hearing a lot of positive news about the goings on at K in the off season. They were open for both skiing, mountain biking & the Adventure Center on the last weekend of skiing this year.


Do you think most of the people who spend time at Killington for a summer vacation also go there during the ski season?  Killington is one of the resorts that's been working with Snow OPERATING to make the beginner experience more fun.

post #40 of 48
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Do you think most of the people who spend time at Killington for a summer vacation also go there during the ski season?  Killington is one of the resorts that's been working with Snow OPERATING to make the beginner experience more fun.

I have no idea if they are the same people. All I know is Killington appears to be a lot busier during the summer than it has been in the past. The Adventure Center & novice/intermediate mountain biking at Snowshed is relatively new (opened last year). Previously they only offered advanced mountain biking & scenic tours off the K-1 gondola. The few times I was there during the summer in the past the place was a ghost town. I've read it's a lot busier now with a much better vibe. Hopefully Killington sees a nice ROI & local businesses see an uptick in summer revenue. Ramshead is scheduled to come on line either later this month or early August offering even more intermediate biking terrain.

post #41 of 48
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Interesting, Gravity Logic is clearly having an impact on more than just Killington.  Decided to check out what Windham in the NY Catskills was doing for the summer season besides golf and a scenic chairlift ride.  Turns out that it's possible to get perks on bike season passes that are similar to the idea behind the Powder Alliance.  Windham, Killington, and Thunder Mountain in MA are cooperating to make the Gravity Logic Northeast Sampler possible.

 

post #42 of 48
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Well, well, well, Gravity Logic is the folks who helped develop the bike park at Whistler starting in the 1990s.  It's a subsidiary of Whistler.  No wonder they are so popular with ski resorts who want to expand their biking activities.  

 

http://www.whistlergravitylogic.com

 

One of the main guys wrote an article about the bike park work for Liftopia:

http://blog.liftopia.com/blog/designing-bike-park/

 

Gravity Logic is not just working with large ski resorts.  Bryce in northern VA has only about 25 acres and 500 vertical.  Pretty small for skiing.  But plenty for lift served bike trails.  The construction started in 2013.

 

 

post #43 of 48
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An article with the title "The Future of Ski Resorts On Public Lands" notes that "The 2011 Act expands the uses ski areas can offer to guests. Prior to 2011, most resort permits allowed winter sports only—skiing, snowboarding, snowshoeing, cross-country skiing, and their cousins—sledding, ice-skating and the like."  I wonder if that means there were resorts that got permission for mountain biking before 2011.

 

https://www.nationalforests.org/our-forests/your-national-forests-magazine/the-future-of-ski-resorts-on-public-lands


The law must have opened up more summer activities but I recall mountain biking at several ski areas in the Mid 90s.  I know one of those places was Vail, but I can't recall the others.  At that time mountain biking was a pretty low volume activity and typically only ski areas with gondola offered it.  The sport has picked up a lot of popularity and the expansion of jumps and other features is pretty new.

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The law must have opened up more summer activities but I recall mountain biking at several ski areas in the Mid 90s.  I know one of those places was Vail, but I can't recall the others.  At that time mountain biking was a pretty low volume activity and typically only ski areas with gondola offered it.  The sport has picked up a lot of popularity and the expansion of jumps and other features is pretty new.

Killington is in the Green Mountain National Forest & has offered lift serviced mountain biking since 1991.

post #45 of 48
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It's pretty clear that there has been mountain biking at a few ski resorts for a while, certainly long before 2011.  My guess is that the process to get approval was more difficult than the process going forward that is based on the revisions to the law made in 2014.

 

I have an impression that early mountain biking trails were more for intermediate and advanced bikers.  Providing rentals with lessons for beginners in order to build up interest means working to expand the potential market.

 

In a recent article about Whitefish, I noted that the first downhill-only mountain biking started in 2008.  It was part of the effort to expand summer activities to keep from losing as much money during the off-season.  Apparently still not making money, but the losses are smaller.  The number of employees during the summer is half the number needed during the ski season.

post #46 of 48
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Grouse Mountain near Vancouver has added an adventure element to their Skyride that is a tram ride.  For an extra fee, a few people can choose to ride on top of the tram in the open air.  Needless to say, won't be available when there is rain or high winds.

 

https://grousemountain.com/skyride-surf-adventure

post #47 of 48
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In a recent article about Whitefish, I noted that the first downhill-only mountain biking started in 2008.  It was part of the effort to expand summer activities to keep from losing as much money during the off-season.  Apparently still not making money, but the losses are smaller.  The number of employees during the summer is half the number needed during the ski season.

That was the first "downhill only" trail, but not the first bike trail.

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2004 area brochure:
post #48 of 48
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Realized that another summer activity for some resorts is day camp for kids.  Whitetail near DC, Killington, and Squaw are examples.  The kids at the Squaw Adventure camp get to ride the tram.  I have the impression that the idea at Squaw is for parents on vacation to drop off their kids for a day or two so that the parents can have some time to relax without kids.  Whitetail is also trying to get parents to stick around for a round of golf, or a short mini-vacation.

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