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Vail is making news again.  Giving Epic passholders access to several major destinations in Europe.  Limited days at those destinations, but enough to make some people think about a 1-week ski vacation.

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/europe-is-epic-vail-resorts-adds-iconic-european-ski-resorts-in-france-italy-switzerland-and-austria-to-its-industry-leading-season-pass-300321634.html

 

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I have a quick question. We're headed to Vail in January and I'll likely buy the Epic Local since we'll be there when there is no blackout.  I'll likely ski out west again but not my wife.  With the Epic it appears I'd get 6 "ski with a friend" passes.  Does anyone know if that is good for the the same person?  Obviously, that'd cover my wife's tickets.

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I have a quick question. We're headed to Vail in January and I'll likely buy the Epic Local since we'll be there when there is no blackout.  I'll likely ski out west again but not my wife.  With the Epic it appears I'd get 6 "ski with a friend" passes.  Does anyone know if that is good for the the same person?  Obviously, that'd cover my wife's tickets.

Two things:

 

1) Yes, you can use all 6 SWAF passes on the same person

2) However, these are not free passes. I think the cost for each was around $110 last year. So if you are planning on getting 6 SWAF passes, it would probably be cheaper to get a 2nd Epic Local Pass instead.

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Will this may be true at MCP resorts, it is not true at Vail resorts in CA or CO. They have a history of raising prices during the season, sometimes even after New Years, then are very resistant to cutting them back even as lifts/terrain are cut back in Spring.
Squaw alpine also did on demand pricing
$124 over Xmas
$139 in January
$144 over Ski Skate weeks in February
$139 in March
$49 with another resort pass in April

Advance purchase was $99 for all dates above
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Two things:

 

1) Yes, you can use all 6 SWAF passes on the same person

2) However, these are not free passes. I think the cost for each was around $110 last year. So if you are planning on getting 6 SWAF passes, it would probably be cheaper to get a 2nd Epic Local Pass instead.

They don't yet know SWAF pricing as they "are discounted from the window price, which changes throughout the season based on demand periods." But they are higher than Buddy Tickets.

 

Quoted above and everything beginning with bolded below is from http://www.snow.com/epic-pass/pass-benefits/swaf.aspx which I think is current. Good thing my wife likes to ski Kirkwood where buddy tickets are still a relative bargain.

 

Please remember, the pass holder must be present at Ticket Window to redeem Ski With a Friend and Buddy Tickets. Prices are subject to change.

 

2016/2017 Buddy Tickets

Buddy Tickets are tickets at a flat discounted rate that are available to pass holders who purchased their 2016-2017 passes before 4/10/16.  

    Resort(s)            Price   
    Vail/Beaver Creek      $116
    Breckenridge    $109
    Keystone    $89
    Northstar    $92
    Heavenly    $89
    Kirkwood    $69
    Park City    $85

 

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Edited by tseeb - 9/2/16 at 1:41pm
post #66 of 124
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Vail is making news again.  Giving Epic passholders access to several major destinations in Europe.  Limited days at those destinations, but enough to make some people think about a 1-week ski vacation.

 

It seems like you could combine the 6 free days in France with the 3 in Italy or the 5 in Switzerland with the 3 in Austria to get more than a week of free skiing although the last two require lodging booked through resort. It sounds more like at least a two week trip which is what you should have from the West Coast. I hope they keep these in for a couple of years and don't raise the Epic Pass price too high as my wife and I could be interested when she no longer is working.

 

Some other Vail news that is not as positive and I don't think has been posted on Epic is http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/23612012-113/kirkwood-facing-fines-over-reported-wetlands-contamination-clean  I plan to stop there tomorrow for their annual Labor Day Chili Cookoff on my way to South Tahoe where I'll stay through Tuesday.

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Vail is making news again.  Giving Epic passholders access to several major destinations in Europe.  Limited days at those destinations, but enough to make some people think about a 1-week ski vacation.

 

It seems like you could combine the 6 free days in France with the 3 in Italy or the 5 in Switzerland with the 3 in Austria to get more than a week of free skiing although the last two require lodging booked through resort. It sounds more like at least a two week trip which is what you should have from the West Coast. I hope they keep these in for a couple of years and don't raise the Epic Pass price too high as my wife and I could be interested when she no longer is working.

Agree that two weeks is better, but that's a big jump for someone who hasn't skied Europe before.  I was thinking more about how someone who has other reasons to get an Epic Pass might be pushed into considering Europe too.

post #68 of 124
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Anybody still on the fence about buying a multi-resort pass?  Prices will continue going up in the next few weeks.

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Probably doesn't really make a difference to anyone who doesn't live in NM, but the NM Powder Pass has just expanded.  Hesperus in southwest CO was bought recently.  The draw for the place for families is night skiing and snow tubing.  A full Powder Pass gives access to Purgatory Resort, Hesperus Ski Area, Arizona Snowbowl, Pajarito Mountain Ski Area, Sipapu Ski & Summer Resort.  Plus 3 days at a pretty long list of less well known places scattered all over the place includes Powder Mountain, Crested Butte, Loveland, and Grand Targhee.

 

 

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I would buy based on trips planned not the other way around. Or if they had one for Michigan I'd buy one!
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I would buy based on trips planned not the other way around. Or if they had one for Michigan I'd buy one!


Well, Vail bought Mt. Brighton in Michigan.  I presume they hope people will buy an Epic Pass of some sort (4-day, Local, 7-day) for a trip out west instead of just a Mt. Brighton season pass. ;)

 

I certainly pick a multi-resort pass based on where I want to go.  But at the same time, I may end up going to a another place that wasn't the primary reason for buying a pass.  The passes are least expensive in the spring.  People who buy early on have an idea of where they want to go, but they don't actually plan the trips until later.

 

For example, last season my friends and I planned to go Alta and then join the Aspen Gathering.  We bought the MCP at the first price, got the bonus third day, and didn't get the trip fully planned until the fall.  The two friends who are still working used the MCP in two places during a 1-week ski trip.  They got 5 days for $369 (first price) plus 50% days.  My other two friends and I had more flexible schedules, so we added a few days at Sun Valley before Alta.  Only reason to check out SV was that it had been added to the MCP.  Otherwise, probably I might've just skied a day or two in BCC staying in SLC before moving to Alta Lodge.

 

I've been thinking about going back to Big Sky for a while.  Plan to research how to optimize using the MAX Pass for a season that includes Big Sky.

post #72 of 124
I used to live in Vail but I'm done with any resort that changes $150 per day even if I can ski it for $50. I'm a long way from Mt Brighton too. I'm sure there are folks in the Detroit area that ski there and want a trip to Vail though. If I did get a pass I want my local hill all season and at least 5 days at the participating resorts. Otherwise I can ski some great smaller area's out west for cheaper!
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I used to live in Vail but I'm done with any resort that changes $150 per day even if I can ski it for $50. I'm a long way from Mt Brighton too. I'm sure there are folks in the Detroit area that ski there and want a trip to Vail though. If I did get a pass I want my local hill all season and at least 5 days at the participating resorts. Otherwise I can ski some great smaller area's out west for cheaper!


Just teasing.  There are definitely plenty of places out west that are fun that don't require paying over $120/day.  That's why the thread below is so useful.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/111645/favorite-small-mountain

post #74 of 124
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Just teasing.  There are definitely plenty of places out west that are fun that don't require paying over $120/day.  That's why the thread below is so useful.

http://www.epicski.com/t/111645/favorite-small-mountain

No worries! All info is good info. I would love to take advantage of a pass like these though!
post #75 of 124

Just saw a commercial.   Epic price going up on Oct. 9th.  Not sure if it is just the Epic local or all of them.

post #76 of 124
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MAX Pass price goes up on Oct. 12.  MCP already went up around Oct. 1.

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Looking at the OP, The Max Pass is really good back east since there are so many resorts that are with in reasonable driving distance.  So but a local resort season pass and do the Max Pass add-on.  Every where else the resorts are spread out with the exception of a few in CO.  Being in Colorado, we went with the Epic Local Pass.  With the concentration of resort in Summit County it makes it very convenient.  It also provides Utah and Tahoe trip options.  We also have a hand full of comps from ski shows and other sources plus the Gems Card.  Does it drive our trip planning - no.  We will ski where we feel like going that weekend since we will be day tripping it.

 

Do out of country options make a difference - I think so but not this year. We are considering the Epic Pass for next year to ski in Europe.  Now if they can add some central Japan in the mix it would be great.

post #78 of 124
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People who have the Epic or Epic Local pass might want to check out flights to Vancouver.  On Oct. 17 Vail announced that holders of Epic and Epic Local passes will get 5 days at Whistler-Backcomb for 2016-17.  Folks who have a W-B Unlimited pass will get 5 days at Vail resorts this season, presumably only 5 total, not 5 days at each place.  Presumably the idea is to convince people to seriously consider buying one of those passes soon.

 

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People who have the Epic or Epic Local pass might want to check out flights to Vancouver.  On Oct. 17 Vail announced that holders of Epic and Epic Local passes will get 5 days at Whistler-Backcomb for 2016-17.  Folks who have a W-B Unlimited pass will get 5 days at Vail resorts this season, presumably only 5 total, not 5 days at each place.  Presumably the idea is to convince people to seriously consider buying one of those passes soon.

 

So now there will be Epic pass and people trying to use the last year of the MC.  I wouldn't be too happy if that was my home mountain.    As for DEN-YVR, I couldn't find decent flight prices so I booked DEN-SEA on Southwest.  Still way cheaper to rent a car and pay for parking although not nearly as convenient.

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People who have the Epic or Epic Local pass might want to check out flights to Vancouver.  On Oct. 17 Vail announced that holders of Epic and Epic Local passes will get 5 days at Whistler-Backcomb for 2016-17.  Folks who have a W-B Unlimited pass will get 5 days at Vail resorts this season, presumably only 5 total, not 5 days at each place.  Presumably the idea is to convince people to seriously consider buying one of those passes soon.

 

So now there will be Epic pass and people trying to use the last year of the MC.  I wouldn't be too happy if that was my home mountain.    As for DEN-YVR, I couldn't find decent flight prices so I booked DEN-SEA on Southwest.  Still way cheaper to rent a car and pay for parking although not nearly as convenient.


Maybe more people heading to WB after the announcement, maybe not.  Depends on what percentage of Epic passholders are flexible enough to add a 5-day trip to WB.  In particular travelers who are already doing at least one full week trip out west to take advantage of the destination resorts on the Epic list.

 

Note that WB passholders are now encourage to plan a trip to a Vail resort this season to take advantage of their 5-day perk.  Of course, for Canadians the exchange rate is in the wrong direction.  So perhaps still likely to wait until after 2016-17.

post #81 of 124
as far as the pricing goes, it's dynamic and subject to change, just like how airplane tickets or Hotel rates are also not posted as walk-up rates.
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Maybe more people heading to WB after the announcement, maybe not.  Depends on what percentage of Epic passholders are flexible enough to add a 5-day trip to WB.  In particular travelers who are already doing at least one full week trip out west to take advantage of the destination resorts on the Epic list.

Note that WB passholders are now encourage to plan a trip to a Vail resort this season to take advantage of their 5-day perk.  Of course, for Canadians the exchange rate is in the wrong direction.  So perhaps still likely to wait until after 2016-17.
It's still early enough for most "travelers" to modify their plans. Many haven't committed to a specific date and destination yet. They may take advantage of the new setup in whatever ways. After all, free is ... free!

I had just spoken with a buddy who have a Epic Local Pass. She may come join the Gathering (so that we could share room).
post #82 of 124
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I would buy based on trips planned not the other way around. Or if they had one for Michigan I'd buy one!


Not exactly a multi-resort pass for Michigan, but Mt Bohemia has quite an interesting collection of partners who are giving 2-3 days as perks for season pass holders.  What's different is that Mt Bohemia has a $99 sale on one day in early Dec.  Regular price is $340 for 2016-17.  Some of the places are in the NM Powder Pass.  Also several independents in the northeast, including Plattekill and Magic, which are small ski areas that depend on natural snowfall a lot more than snowmaking.

 

Edit: Bohemia joined the Freedom Pass.  But Shanty Creek and Crystal are perks only for Bohemia pass holders.

http://www.epicski.com/t/147589/anyone-heard-of-freedom-pass-free-season-pass-perk-3-days-13-places-magic-plattekill-bohemia-pajarito-etc#post_2025871

 

Shanty Creek, MI

Crystal Mountain, MI
 
Plattekill, NY
Bolton Valley, VT
Magic Mountain, VT
Dartmouth Skiway, NH
Granite Gorge, NH
Black Mountain, NH
McIntyre, NH
Lost Valley, ME
 
Ski Cooper, CO
Purgatory, CO
Sipapu, NM
Pajarito, NM
Arizona Snowbowl, NM
 
Eaglecrest, AK
 

 

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Not exactly a multi-resort pass for Michigan, but Mt Bohemia has quite an interesting collection of partners who are giving 2-3 days as perks for season pass holders.  What's different is that Mt Bohemia has a $99 sale on one day in early Dec.  Regular price is $340 for 2016-17.  Some of the places are in the NM Powder Pass.  Also several independents in the northeast, including Plattekill and Magic, which are small ski areas that depend on natural snowfall a lot more than snowmaking.

Edit: Bohemia joined the Freedom Pass.  But Shanty Creek and Crystal are perks only for Bohemia pass holders.
http://www.epicski.com/t/147589/anyone-heard-of-freedom-pass-free-season-pass-perk-3-days-13-places-magic-plattekill-bohemia-pajarito-etc#post_2025871

Shanty Creek, MI
Crystal Mountain, MI
 

Unfortunately Mt Bohemia is almost the same drive as Colorado from my home.
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post #84 of 124
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BUMP for those who missed this summer/fall discussion.

 

There is a survey for the MCP happening in Dec 2016.  One of the questions is to get feedback for potential additions to the MCP.  The list presented (could pick one) included:

 

Mt Snow, VT

Sugarbush, VT

Jay Peak, VT

Whiteface, NY

 

Solitude, UT

Deer Valley, UT

Snowbasin, UT

Whitefish, MT

 

Consider the potential decision process for someone who is thinking seriously of flying to UT/CO/CA at least twice during a season.  An MCP purchase that included Alta/Snowbird, JH, Sun Valley, plus even one of the potential places in the survey (DV, Snowbasin, Solitude) could be very tempting compared to an Epic Pass that includes Park City, resorts in Tahoe, resorts in Colorado.

 

Which one of the places suggested for the northeast would make the most difference to you?  For me, probably Sugarbush.  Far enough north to be worth staying a few days mid-week for a solo trip as part of a northeast ski safari.  I'm a retired advanced skier who has skied at Whiteface and Sugarbush in recent years, but never been to Jay or Mt Snow.  If I lived in NYC or NJ or easter PA, my preference would be different.

 

The MAX Pass is up to 39 locations for 2016-17.  The bigger resorts include Big Sky, Bachelor, Copper, Crested Butte, Solitude, Brighton, plus Tremblant, Killington, Okemo, Stratton, Sunday River, and a lot of other places in the northeast that are driving distance from NYC and Boston.  Stowe has to be wondering how to continue to draw in new people who will never buy a season pass at one location given the expanded MAX Pass (up to 5 days at each place, $600-700 as stand-alone, about $300 as add-on to a full season pass).

 

The multi-pass options going forward are quite different than when the MCP started for 2012-13 with four premier destination resorts (Aspen/Snowmass, Alta, Jackson Hole, Squaw/Alpine).

 

​As a traveler who flies from the flatlands in the southeast, the growth of multi-pass options is making a big difference in my decision process of where to go next season.  I've had the MCP for a few seasons.  But the other options are pretty tempting to check out in the next few years.

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Another option in UT would be nice for the MCP.  

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Another option in UT would be nice for the MCP.  

 

+1

 

I would certainly head to DV for a couple days if it were in the MCP when flying to SLC.  Moving Solitude from the MAX Pass to the MCP would have more value to me because I'm always going to ski Alta during late season.  The fact that both were on the survey list . . . wonder if that means DV Mgmt was consulted before the survey went out?

 

(Solitude was bought by DV a few years ago.)

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The Mountain Collective Pass has two days at each resort and are spread out too much!  So IMO this is not a good enough option.

 

Max Pass has a few nice concentrations the best concentration is in the Northeast (3 in Quebec, 9 in New England States), then the next concentration is in Colorado with 5 ski areas and finally 4 in Western Canada.  The remainder are spread out.  However with 5 days at each, any place could be a destination resort.  This pass is nice especially for those in New England as an "add on" that provides vacation opportunities in Colorado - in fact, many on another forum are doing just that.

 

Freedom Pass - this is an interesting play.  Mt Bohemia did there $99 deal which I know of several who jumped on that.  3 days at Freedom Pass ski areas.  Once again a nice play for the Northeast but the offering is rather limited besides Magic and Bolton Valley, Add in a trip to Colorado and do a couple days at Cooper.

 

Epic Local Pass - great play for Tahoe or Colorado with destination plays in Utah and Whistler and for Colorado - Tahoe or if Tahoe then Colorado.  Nice aspects, unlimited skiing at Breck, Keystone and A Basin,  Unlimited sking at Park City, Heavenly, Northstar, Kirkwood with blackout resctrictions,. 10 days between Vail and Beaver Creek with black outs and finally 5 days at Whistler/Blackcomb.  This deal IMO is pretty sweet for $609 and $489 for our son!

 

Epic Pass - Unlimited skiing at all the resorts in the Epic Local Pass with no black outs.  Includes access to 30 European resorts across Austria, France, Italy, and Switzerland! all for $200 more than the Local Pass.

 

We are liking the Local Pass so far.

 

Vail sold a record 650,000 Epic pass products this season.

post #88 of 124

I posted a thread Ski Adventure Road Trip - Four States in One Week that covers some answers to the question in the title Multi-resort passes, how do they factor in trip planning?

I skied the following resorts:

Snowbasin, UT

Solitude, UT

Brighton, UT

Snowmass, CO

Telluride, CO

Arizona Snowbowl, AZ

Lee Canyon, NV

Using three different multi-resort passes meant that I never had to buy a lift ticket on this trip.

post #89 of 124
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More recent discussion about the MCP over in this thread.  Probably of more interest to those to fly to ski in the Rockies who either have already been to MCP destinations or have a few on their bucket list.  In particular, people who live somewhere on the east coast or in the midwest.  Although those who fly from the west coast can make good use of the MCP.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/147294/just-bought-the-mountain-collective-pass

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I don's

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I posted a thread Ski Adventure Road Trip - Four States in One Week that covers some answers to the question in the title Multi-resort passes, how do they factor in trip planning?

I skied the following resorts:

Snowbasin, UT

Solitude, UT

Brighton, UT

Snowmass, CO

Telluride, CO

Arizona Snowbowl, AZ

Lee Canyon, NV

Using three different multi-resort passes meant that I never had to buy a lift ticket on this trip.

Nice work.  So far we have done: 

Copper

Winter Park

Whistler

 

Currently at Crested Butte and probably going to stop at Telluride on the way home for a short break.   I was thinking about going to Monarch (which is cheap) but I really don't want to buy a lift ticket this year.    I have the RMSP+ and MCP. 

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