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New Nordica Enforcer vs Moment PB&J

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Its summer and I'm dreaming of skiing...

 

So, I currently ski the 2013 Nordica Hell and Back as my hard snow ski, 95% off piste (Crested Butte). Im 6' 160lbs, advanced. I'm looking for a replacement that is a touch more playful, but still stable and ready for anything ...  and doesn't have flat tails.

 

(I will have at least a 2 ski quiver so this ski doesn't need to do big powder days.)

 

My top two contenders are:

 

The Nordica Enforcer

 

VS

 

Moment PB&J

 

I have read much about these skis, but could not find them to demo.

 

Any experience, insight or recommendations would be appreciated.


Thanks!

post #2 of 16

Hi, I have skied on the PB&J this last season about ten or so partial days. I really like them, but they are not super playful compared to some other skis I have. Maybe it is something to do with the size. I am 5'8" , 165 lbs, and skiing the 182 cm. I have found these to be very stable, almost damp, and yet still very turnable, predictable, will hold an edge on hard snow, ski really well in mixed shin deep snow and chopped up crud. Everything about them is great,  I just can't say the word playful really.  I am skiing an area with lots of big moguls, and I think that has a big effect on my ski of choice. I was skiing an old pair of Scott Punishers in 172 cm mostly last spring, (rock skis), and really having fun on those. I also, just bought a new pair of 4FRNT Gaucho's on sale last spring, which I have yet to ski on, but I expect them to ski a little more loose and surfy than the PB&J's.

I have been thinking about selling my PB&J's. I have 8 pairs of skis, so I don't necessarily need them. Let me know if you might be interested, I can send you some pictures. They are in pretty minty condition with Look Pivot 12's mounted on them.

Mike

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

Cool, in a way that describes pretty nearly what I am after. Compared to the Hell and Back I imagine the PB&J would be more playful. I am definitely interested... though on a budget. One of the nice things about the PB&J is it is mostly unchanged since '12 so older used pairs can sometimes be found.

I'd love to see pics though of your skis and a price too.

 

-AJ

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

ps: What boot sole length are your PB&J bindings mounted for? I use 315mm boots.

post #5 of 16

Hi AJ,

My boot sole is 300mm. You might need to remount the heels, but it would be close.

You would probably like the PB&J a little more than I do. I tend to like very short turn radius skis.

I guess I would want $500.00 for these.

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks! Those are beautiful. I'm sending a PM.

post #7 of 16


Might be interested in your Hell and Backs if they are a 185cm  Thanks Guy from Seattle

post #8 of 16

Hi Mike   I might be interested in your PB&J's if you still have them...I am new to this Epic Forum and live in Seattle ...have a lot of skis also...I am not sure being that I am new if you can reply to my post/reply...[personal contact info delete]...I am looking for 185cm Hell and back's also

 

Moderator note: personal email and phone # deleted

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi, I did pick up the PB&J's from fly2Mike... Thanks again! Can't wait for ski season.

 

I still do have the Hell and Backs but they are 177.

 

Cheers,


AJ

post #10 of 16

Guy you might want to edit out that personal information.

 

 

A similar ski available in a 185 for $350 shipped new.  My experience is both Blizzard and Nordica have good factory tunes.  So once you add in a tune and shipping for a used ski pretty good price.

 

http://www.coloradoskishop.com/Blizzard-Scout-Skis-2015-p/8a408000-2015.htm?gclid=Cj0KEQjw2ua8BRDeusOkl5qth4QBEiQA8BpQcMS5rQ9vQq47cimvdkqzImxJfYjyTe-vejVy-JdzNJ0aAlAY8P8HAQ&Click=30416&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine

post #11 of 16


Thanks on the edit...I am new....don't know how to ....I am looking for 100mm waist...so PBJ,Tahoe,Mantra,Hell and Back are on radar.....Maybe if I feel like spending will buck up for the new Enforcers....I have directional chargers Belafonte 186....Bibby 184....SalomonXdrive 8.0FS...etc etc

 

I wish I knew how to delete my ph# and email...don't want to get in trouble

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Guy Anderson View Post
 


Thanks on the edit...I am new....don't know how to ....I am looking for 100mm waist...so PBJ,Tahoe,Mantra,Hell and Back are on radar.....Maybe if I feel like spending will buck up for the new Enforcers....I have directional chargers Belafonte 186....Bibby 184....SalomonXdrive 8.0FS...etc etc

 

I wish I knew how to delete my ph# and email...don't want to get in trouble

Once you've signed into Epic, a pencil icon (edit) will appear at the bottom left of just your posts.   You click it in the appropriate post and make the changes.   

 

Then if and when you want to send that info to someone on Epic, you PM them (personal message).  You do this by putting the mouse icon over the poster's name, and a menu will appear that includes "Send PM."  Click on that and follow directions, etc..

post #13 of 16

Neat choice of skis.   I wanted to demo the PB&J last season, but circumstances......   The 100 Enforcer is a great ski, but different than the Hell & Back.  To me, the Hell & Back (from a few years back) was a good wider GS ski, great at GS type turns, holding an edge almost like a race ski, with some of the advantages of width as a bonus.   But it has some of an older race ski's weaknesses: turn initiation is not as quick as some skis. And for me, at speed in variable or variable base powder/chop skiing, I found the tip deflected sometimes, throwing me down hard w/o warning a time or two until I did a special adjustment with that ski (to stay more centered over the skis, instead of relying on the carve at angle as much).   

 

By contrast, the Enforcer 100 has one of the smoothest, most harmonious and quick turn initiations around for a tweener radius ski (in the r 19 range - r 18.5 @ 185).  The cream of the crop this past year.   Really great in powder and variable, and in bumps, as well as very good on corduroy.   It's only weakness is a slight lack of the pure GS edgehold that the Hell & Back has, IMHO.   But it's still very good carving gs turns.  And the tip does not deflect or rattle.   And you can ski it playful easily, your choice.   

post #14 of 16
I have the nordica enforcer in a 177. I love it so much I bought another new pair. Problem is my wife found the new pair in my workroom in the basement. I have to get rid of one pair. The best ski I have ever had, and also the only time I have ever purchased 2 pairs of the same ski. jja1231944 @gmail.com
post #15 of 16
Repeat after me...."Plain black ski bags...Plain black ski bags". Once you have several in a stack, a new one is virtually undetectable. 😀
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Guy Anderson View Post
 


Thanks on the edit...I am new....don't know how to ....I am looking for 100mm waist...so PBJ,Tahoe,Mantra,Hell and Back are on radar.....Maybe if I feel like spending will buck up for the new Enforcers....I have directional chargers Belafonte 186....Bibby 184....SalomonXdrive 8.0FS...etc etc

 

I wish I knew how to delete my ph# and email...don't want to get in trouble


Welcome to EpicSki!  It's not any trouble but in general not a good idea to publish personal contact info on a public forum that has thousands of members.  It's been edited out.  New users need to post a minimum number of times before they can edit their own posts.

 

To contact another member, use the Private Message feature.  Easiest way is to use hover of a username to use the drop down to send a PM.  To access your Private Messages, look for the envelope icon near the menu bar.

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