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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by Mike78 View Post
 

 

@hypergruv   SBF is in Vail and BC   If you want to schedule with Greg Hoffman you will have to go to BC.  http://www.skibootfitting.com/

 

There is a shop in Winter Park that is Dalbello specific.  Le Feet Lab.  Just be aware they believe the cabrio shell and zipfit are a good match.  http://www.lefeetlab.com/

 

I have Panterra's not the Rampage so I'm not familiar with your boot other than you have 1 less buckle than me.  So, beyond asking if you played around with the buckle adjustments I got nothing.

 

Greg has come highly recommended by everyone I have asked around town - and via a few PM's as well. I will absolutely be making a trip to The Beav and see him before the season starts. 

post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

Beyond, read your own citations and then get back to us about how a well supported foot in a plastic ski boot will see a large change in size due to 10% loss of body weight.


Actually, I have; fairly certain you haven't, unless you've paid for access to the journals. A 10% loss of body weight should be reflected in a corresponding loss of of fat and muscle tissue around the perimeter of the foot, especially the heel and ankle, reductions in fluid infiltration, and less loading on the arch, which impact three dimensions. Will that equal a change of a boot size? Well, one of the studies shows a change of 15% in street shoe size between normal and overweight. Overweight means 120% of average. So extrapolating, a difference of 10% body weight would produce about a 7.5% difference in shoe size, primarily because of changes in foot width. Rough calculation since the variables are not linear to each other. But that's a bit under one shoe size if you start at men's 10. 

 

Anyway, would this require any change in shell size? Don't know, that's your department. Will that produce a subjective difference in how the guy feels in his boots? Well, seems like unless our chants about snug fit are b.s., it might. Does he need new boots? Again, not my department, would guess markojp is probably on the right track. Odds are anything OP's feeling is at least compounded by boot fit. Sometimes outcomes can have more than one cause. Could be foot size change and boots that were too big to begin with. Or not. 

 

Look, this is not about me challenging your or SJ's ability to fit boots. From my first post, it's been about me correcting some simple misinformation. OP's or anyone else's feet do change when he loses or gains weight, because feet do have muscle and fat, and and it's not inert, but metabolically as active as any other fat on your body.

 

Footnote: This may have started by telling posters they're wrong about their own bodies. For instance, as a guy who's not shy about calling people "sexist" for their pronoun choices, I'm sure you get the ramifications of telling your next female customer who walks in after having a baby, or losing some weight in the past few years, that sorry, but she's mistaken; her feet really haven't changed. ;) Naw, I wouldn't go there either. Especially when the science backs her. 

post #33 of 41
Ok, you win. Fat people's feet grow, skinny people's feet shrink... has nothing to do with foot splay as the arch collapses. Nothing at all. 'Change in street shoe size' got me, how can I argue with science like that?
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Ok, you win. Fat people's feet grow, skinny people's feet shrink... has nothing to do with foot splay as the arch collapses. Nothing at all. 'Change in street shoe size' got me, how can I argue with science like that?

 

I don't understand the stoic resistance to this. We are constantly being told that the key to a perfect fir is the ability of an experienced boot fitter to accurately asses the size and shape of your feet and fit them into a hard casing with very little tolerance. Yet there seem to boot fitters in this thread completely dismissing the effect of how changes in body weight affect foot size and shape. The mechanics are not as important as the effect, yet all the evidence is being sarcastically dismissed for the sake of .......ego?

 

People are being told that self observed effects of their own bodies are wrong. Save us from the experts.

post #35 of 41

Read the Original Post to this thread. His boots are "a little loose in the toes"

 

Do you suspect that the OP's loss of about 20lbs of body weight caused his 'first ever' pair of boots, used 10 days, to stop fitting because:

 

a) his feet are now shorter due to weight loss (really chubby toes?)

or

b) his boots were a 'comfort fit' that has packed out a bit and now is a little sloppy. 

 

I know, it could not possibly be b, because no one has ever bought their first pair of boots too large. Couldn't be that.

 

If we had the opposite problem- hommie gained 20lbs and now his boots feel a bit too small, I'd still argue that his feet did not, in fact 'grow'. I'd wager his arches were flattening and his foot was splaying, a problem a proper footbed would help alleviate. I'm not as smart as most posting here, however, so I am sure I am, in fact, wrong. Fat people's feet grow, skinny people's feet shrink (unless they also have flat feet... I guess that's 'skinny-fat'?).

 

So take Beyond's advice and buy new ski boots every time your weight changes.


Edited by Whiteroom - 6/26/16 at 5:16pm
post #36 of 41
Thread Starter 
Wow, WTF did I start?

For what it's worth, I went to see my boot guy today. Looked at my feet, and only asked me two questions: "Have you lost weight? And Are you right foot dominant?"

She'll fit was fine, as I expected it to be. My right foot is a tad bigger, but less girth in the ankle than my left. Left foot is a little bit smaller, but more girth in the ankle - the spot I was having problems with on my right boot. He ended up placing two foam wraps around the outside of the ankle on the back of the liner. It worked like magic. Boots feel just fine now.

...I also left with a set of new Enforcers. Today was a good day.
post #37 of 41

Now I know why there is a "Ask the Boot Guy" Forum. :nono:  

post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by hypergruv View Post

Wow, WTF did I start?

For what it's worth, I went to see my boot guy today. Looked at my feet, and only asked me two questions: "Have you lost weight? And Are you right foot dominant?"

She'll fit was fine, as I expected it to be. My right foot is a tad bigger, but less girth in the ankle than my left. Left foot is a little bit smaller, but more girth in the ankle - the spot I was having problems with on my right boot. He ended up placing two foam wraps around the outside of the ankle on the back of the liner. It worked like magic. Boots feel just fine now.

...I also left with a set of new Enforcers. Today was a good day.

All you asked for was the name of a good bootfitter. Instead you got a couple of pages of discussion on the fat content, or lack of same, of the foot and ankle, as well as several people recommending you see a bootfitter. Welcome to epicski.

post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by hypergruv View Post

Wow, WTF did I start?

 

For your next thread start, maybe - "Does it make any sense to wear a helmet", or Best ski area in the Northeast" would be good topics. Always gets lots of attention.

 

Anyway, glad you got your boot issue straightened out. Like you my right foot is a Frankenfoot and required a LOT of boot attention, whereas my left foot can always go with box stock boots. The lesson - go to a real bootfitter and get things resolved.

post #40 of 41
Don't forget east vs. west.
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Don't forget east vs. west.


Yeah, forgot about that one (thankfully)

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