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Bibby vs Bentchetler

post #1 of 17
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I'm between these for next season and looking for any feedback from those who've ridden one or both. I've read the Blister reviews (multiple times), but I'm really being indecisive and thought first hand feedback might help. I'm 210lbs, 6'3", advanced, Tahoe (squaw and sugar bowl mostly). Style-wise I'm not on either end of the playful->charger spectrum, but probably near the middle, which complicates things. Thanks in advance!!
post #2 of 17

What kind of pow skis have you skied in the past?

What skis do you like and currently own now?

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

To my dismay (and strong frustration in deep chop), I've never actually used real pow skis at all. The closest was a demo on the Soul 7 188cm in 12in of fresh. I found this ski to be too soft, loose, not enough edge hold, and definitely not enough float under my 210lbs... I currently ski Sick Day 179cm 95mm waist, which was my very first set as a beginner.  The sick day is actually really good if I'm keeping to green/blue runs and not charging or freestyling. Otherwise it's a bit too chattery. Also, no tail rocker on the Sick Day and I took to doing 180s this past season and the lack of tail rocker wasn't super helpful (not to mention the tips and tails are relatively soft, not super soft, but not stiff either). 

post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by jmy37 View Post

Style-wise I'm not on either end of the playful->charger spectrum, but probably near the middle

 

bibby or jeffrey 114/122 or kartel 116

post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

 

bibby or jeffrey 114/122 or kartel 116

^^^^^^^^This

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

Would the DPS Wailer 112RP2 Pure fit this bill or no? I've heard differing opinions on it. 

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What the Bent Chet and Bibby Pro have in common is that they both do some things incredibly well, so they both have followings, from what I can gather.  But they are in some ways opposites. The Bent Chet excels at playful,  great turn, powder handling.  In stiff variable it can be a flapper, for many.  A good friend of mine who is a ski shop tech loved it one day (powder), hated it the next (variable).  And got rid of it in less than a month of buying it.

 

 I suspect that the bigger the guy, the more flappy this ski might feel.   

 

Expert chargers like the Blister guys often find the Bibby playful yet super in both powder and variable, but others find it just a difficult charger ski.   It's # one on my list to try. 

 

A bigger guy would be more likely to be able to flex such a ski, and thus like it, no big deal.   But the longest length would probably make the most sense, unless you stick to tight trees and tight spaces.  

 

The thing is, the Sick Day 110 (and perhaps the Sick Day 95, which I haven't tried), to me, is a super flapper ski, much more so than the Chet even.  For me, it just flaps right out of holding a good edge over and over in variable or uneven hard - so I got used to semi-slarving it.  For me that gets old.

 

People like the Bent & Bibby partly because they both ski well on edge.

 

It sound to me like you need to demo some powder skis before you buy, to see what in a wider ski you like.  

 

The ON3P Jeffrey 114 mentioned, a ski I've demoed, might be one good ski to try - easier than the Bibby to manuever, yet very good in powder, on edge and good in variable (though not as good as the very best at this, possibly - including the ON3P Billy Goat 116, and probably the Bibby).  

 

P.S. I didn't like the 112RP2 Pure.  I haven't liked DPS skis I've tried. But you might, if you try them.  Many folks do.   


Edited by ski otter - 6/9/16 at 1:32pm
post #8 of 17

Bentchetler is soft playful ski, very close to armada JJ or so.

Bibby Pro/On3p Billy Goat - both are much stiffer skis, better handle chop snow than chettlers

On3p Joffrey is actually another jib ski which is still stiffer than bentchetler.

 

bentchetler (pow jib) -> joffrey (all mountain/pow jib ski) -> billy goat -> Bibby (bibby would do better on hard snow than BG). Both last ski are consider to be a chargers.

I would suggest to demo Bibby first (since you are in Tahoe area and Moment does a lot of free demos, or stop buy at their factory, take a demo [yest, it is free] and go try it at Mount Rose)

before commit to the purchase. 

 

no opinion on Kartel since this is totally new ski since next year, so had never seen them. DPS is $$$ and people are using them for tours where weight is important.

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

Bentchetler is soft playful ski, very close to armada JJ or so.
Bibby Pro/On3p Billy Goat - both are much stiffer skis, better handle chop snow than chettlers
On3p Joffrey is actually another jib ski which is still stiffer than bentchetler.

bentchetler (pow jib) -> joffrey (all mountain/pow jib ski) -> billy goat -> Bibby (bibby would do better on hard snow than BG). Both last ski are consider to be a chargers.
I would suggest to demo Bibby first (since you are in Tahoe area and Moment does a lot of free demos, or stop buy at their factory, take a demo [yest, it is free] and go try it at Mount Rose)
before commit to the purchase. 

no opinion on Kartel since this is totally new ski since next year, so had never seen them. DPS is $$$ and people are using them for tours where weight is important.

Great feedback! So the Billy Goat is less damp than the Bibby and worse on groomers. Any advantages of the BG over the Bibby?

Great to know about Moment demos. Does anyone know what the cryptic intro on their 16/17 site is all about... Just give it to me straight, Moment! http://www.mmntskis.com/#1617

Spoiler: Much like in Game of Thrones, looks like the Joffrey bit the dust for the 16/17 season... https://issuu.com/on3pskis/docs/on3pskis_sia_catalog_2016_issuu/1?e=3608669/33049783
post #10 of 17

BG vs Bibby Pro? different thread :duel:

but BG is much better in soft snow, as well it is much better in the trees (but that is debatable, different people have different preferences).

both are great skis and you won't miss out with either one, both are solid good choices.

post #11 of 17

just gonna say this BG = best ski ever :-) I love it and if you like to charge hard you will love as long as you don't like to ski backwards! 

post #12 of 17

Chetler's are one of the greatest skis i have ridden, and i have had some great powder boards in my quiver........Armada JJ's / Faction Royales/ Armada Bubbas / Line Mr. Pollard Opus. 

 

super smooth, great float, so easy to turn, handles the chop well too.

 

i was blown away by their performance on demo day at Alta where i got to ride the 2017 model in 185cm - i wrote a review about them on Epic too.

 

i swore i was gonna get some for next year but the price was a bit much ......so i got some 2015 Mr. Pollard opus (185's) instead ( love that ski too obviously)

post #13 of 17
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Great feedback! So the Billy Goat is less damp than the Bibby and worse on groomers. Any advantages of the BG over the Bibby?
 

 

Not sure if either of these statements is true. 

 

The BG is incredibly damp and kills groomers.   I could charge the corduroy all day on the BG, and have.   Fast or slow, lotsa turns or none.   It holds an edge there really well, no need to slarve unless you want to.   Damp and stable.  Short of a race ski, hard to think of a ski that has better edge hold and command on groomers than the BG.   Also good in bumps, to me.  Also good in trees.  (The RES again, with both).  Kills crud and variable.  

  

But it does have its own particular feel on groomers.   It's different because of the RES at the front of the ski (Reverse Elliptical Sidecut).  This makes the turn sort of unique, but very versatile, good for both long and short turns w/o the squirreliness of a pure slalom-type ski (either fat or thin).   But not like a pure gs edge running feel either, which may be a reason some would prefer the Bibby, not sure.  

 

The Bibby?   The Bibby handles stiffer, from what I've seen (watching guys on them) and can gather, not having been able to demo them.  Some find them too much a charger.   I've watched two mid-advanced but not expert people awkwardly have to throw/jump pivot the ski from side to side on steeps or difficult situations without being able to flex/carve them decently, or maybe fluidly. (One of these awkward guys was lighter weight, the other was big.)   Others can flex them fine, no problem, probably more committed to the fall line.  

Like I said, I really want to try them myself. :)

 

So you have to try them to decide for yourself what you like, and what fits your skiing.  


Edited by ski otter - 6/10/16 at 3:43pm
post #14 of 17

I throw one more ski into the mix: Praxis GPO and since you live/ski in Tahoe area, it would be easy to demo.

post #15 of 17

GPO seems good too.

 

 

Another factor to take into account is weight:

This matters some, first since a heavier, fatter ski for powder takes some conditioning perhaps if you are used to a lighter, narrower ski - especially if you've had knee or leg injury you want to baby.  

 

As a baseline, your Line Sick Day 95s are ~1941gm/ski @ 186; ~1850 @ 179. (Varies from ski to ski.)  Pretty light.  

About the heaviest all mountain ski in the 90 - 100 range is the Bliz Bonafide, ~2292gm/ski @ 187.  

 

The 16 Bibby Pro is ~2248/ski @190, ~2174gm @ 184.  A fairly light ski.  Useable for touring.   

 

The 16 Bent Chet is ~2615 @ 192 - big difference.  Yet it's not damp in rough variable.   

 

The 16 Billy Goat is ~2510 @ 186, closer to the Bent Chet in weight.  So it's relatively heavier, and yet very damp.   

 

It used to be that you could tell something about the dampness from the weight - heavier meant more likely to be stable and damp.   

But this no longer holds true, as much.

 

 

 

Another powder ski known to handle variable:

 

Volkl Katana 112  ~1978gm/ski @  191. (Very light weight but damp.)  Good for touring also.  


Edited by ski otter - 6/14/16 at 1:27pm
post #16 of 17

P.S.   Those ski weights came from an Evo website ski weight chart found by @bounceswoosh  and posted in a thread over in Pugski.com, a great website.   

post #17 of 17
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bibby or jeffrey 114/122 or kartel 116

I pulled the trigger on some ON3P Jeffrey 114s! Thanks for the recco!! Now I just need bindings... Thinking of fks 14/18 (whatever's on sale) to match the oranges.
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