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Eldora - SOLD!

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Powdr did a wonderful job with Mt Bachelor you are gonna love them at your resort, just like the locals at Bachelor do

Or maybe not
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So here's the Powdr list for 2016-17:

 

Mt. Bachelor, Oregon

Boreal Mountain Resort, California

Soda Springs, California

Lee Canyon, Nevada

Gorgoza Park, Utah

Copper Mountain, Colorado

Eldora Mountain Resort, Colorado

Killington, Vermont

Pico Mountain, Vermont

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Powdr did a wonderful job with Mt Bachelor you are gonna love them at your resort, just like the locals at Bachelor do

Or maybe not


When did Powdr buy Bachelor?

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2001

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2001
And still bitching about it too
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And still bitching about it too


What are the complaints?  I've never skied in the PNW but have good friends who live not that far from Bachelor.  I remember reading about the new lift that is being installed this summer.

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Jason Blevins of the Denver Post wrote up the sale of Eldora to Powdr.  Includes the history of who has owned Eldora since the Erlts family.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/06/eldora-mountain-resort-sold-copper-mountain-powdr/

 

"The Ertl family grew Eldora from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s into a family-friendly hill that also was popular with out-of-state visitors looking for a local ski experience. In 1985, the Ertls sold to investor Steve Finkel, who made few friends in Boulder County, famously arriving at the ski area in a limo and ending up sentenced to prison on out-of-state federal fraud charges.

 

Colorado ski resort patriarch Andy Daly took over Eldora in the late 1980s, even enticing a possible acquisition by Vail, which at the time was testing the idea of urban feeder-resorts with its Broadmoor ski area in Colorado Springs. Vail backed away from Eldora when Boulder County officials balked at plans for a hotel at the base of the ski area."

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We at Killington don't think much of them either.  They came in after buying Killington and Pico from ASC and within one year drove away 30% of their skier visits with ill-conceived changes in pricing, operations and special programs.  Ski season was shortened on both ends, base lodges shut down or services greatly reduced mid-week, minimal investment in new lifts, etc.  Gradually they have reversed some of the operational changes but have been playing catchup in getting those skiers back.  The current president is trying hard, but is hamstrung by limited capital funds from Powdr.

 

And remember, Powdr is the guys that forgot to renew their lease and lost Park City to Vail Resorts.  That tells you something about the management.

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Feel the same about Powdr as Jim. Had season passes with ASC until Powdr took over. Really nice experiences with ASC. Can't say the same with Powdr. Finally gave up on them after a few season. You can say they poisoned the well. Killington never felt the same since.  

 

On another note, I've been skiing SLC since 1981. Usually several trip per season unless we are skiing in Europe. So I've seen the evolution of SLC skiing through the years. Somewhere along the line, PC went bad. Probably around the time Powdr came into the picture. It gotten to a point where I refused to ski PC. I love DV and the Canyon is a lot of fun, but I will not ski PC for the longest time. 

 

I am a simple sort of guy, dumb as dog doo. Mainly go by gut instinct. Flashy marketing just goes right over my head. The place just doesn't feel right and I'm not talking about the terrain.

However, the last time I skied PC was during the 2013/14 season, the feel of the place turned 180 degree from prior experiences. I guess anything is possible when wolves are at the gate. But in the end, too little, too late.        

 

To me, Powdr is bad. Rotten at the core. 

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Feel the same about Powdr as Jim. Had season passes with ASC until Powdr took over. Really nice experiences with ASC. Can't say the same with Powdr. Finally gave up on them after a few season. You can say they poisoned the well. Killington never felt the same since.  

 

On another note, I've been skiing SLC since 1981. Usually several trip per season unless we are skiing in Europe. So I've seen the evolution of SLC skiing through the years. Somewhere along the line, PC went bad. Probably around the time Powdr came into the picture. It gotten to a point where I refused to ski PC. I love DV and the Canyon is a lot of fun, but I will not ski PC for the longest time. 

 

I am a simple sort of guy, dumb as dog doo. Mainly go by gut instinct. Flashy marketing just goes right over my head. The place just doesn't feel right and I'm not talking about the terrain.

However, the last time I skied PC was during the 2013/14 season, the feel of the place turned 180 degree from prior experiences. I guess anything is possible when wolves are at the gate. But in the end, too little, too late.        

 

To me, Powdr is bad. Rotten at the core. 


Does that mean you won't be skiing Snowbird any more? :rolleyes

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What are the complaints?  I've never skied in the PNW but have good friends who live not that far from Bachelor.  I remember reading about the new lift that is being installed this summer.
Essentially shortened the season they used to run deep into June

Run race camps in June and not open up to the public

Not running lifts

Even the chamber of commerce is not happy with em
http://rosellwealthmanagement.com/new/rosellwealthmanagement/content.asp?contentid=2017636778

Local community members trying to buy them out
http://m.bendsource.com/Bent/archives/2012/03/16/mt-bachelor-responds-to-community-buy-out-initiative-open-forum-next-week

Facebook page of issues
https://m.facebook.com/groups/365868710111163/?ref=ts

It isn't pretty

Bill Healy is probably rolling in his grave at what happened to his resort
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Does that mean you won't be skiing Snowbird any more? :rolleyes

 

Haven't been back there since the 2014 season so can't say until I cross that bridge. 

 

Dick Bass sold Snowbird to the Cumming family, not Powdr Corp. There are probably good reasons for that specific set up.  

At this point, the bird appears to be same as always. Perhaps the issues lies not with Cummings but Powdr itself. Only time will tell.        

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Does that mean you won't be skiing Snowbird any more? :rolleyes

 

Haven't been back there since the 2014 season so can't say until I cross that bridge. 

 

Dick Bass sold Snowbird to the Cumming family, not Powdr Corp. There are probably good reasons for that specific set up.  

At this point, the bird appears to be same as always. Perhaps the issues lies not with Cummings but Powdr itself. Only time will tell.        


In the articles about the sale of Eldora to Powdr, a former owner talks about how much he likes John Cummings.  Obviously it will be fun to return to this thread in a year or so. :)

 

"In a statement, Killebrew said, "I've had the privilege of knowing John Cumming for nearly 30 years. He has built a great adventure company and has the reputation as an outstanding operator. When we decided to consider selling Eldora, we wanted to put our resort in the best hands possible and Powdr was the first company that came to mind.""

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Pwdr Corp has done well at Copper. I will bet that they will do a better job than the previous Eldora management especially with the youth racing program that has held together despite resistance they have gotten from the previous Eldora mgmt.
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I think this will be a really good thing. As long as Eldora stays on the Rocky Mountain Superpass+. 

 

I hope they bring back night skiing. I would be great to leave work from downtown Denver a little early and get some afterwork pow turns in. People in Seattle and Portland don't mind a real night skiing option. 

 

In their 2011 master plan they do mention lighting on the main mountain, but that it is not used due to there not being enough electricity. They also say that they plan to work with Xcel energy to determine future unspecified needs. 

 

http://www.coloradoskihistory.com/images/eldora_overview_1.jpg

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07Jun2016

http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_29985627/deal-eldora-mountain-resort-handoff-between-friends-30

 

Includes comments by John Cumming about season pass arrangements:

"He has no designs on pushing for changes to the decades-old competitive season pass scene in Colorado that has transformed the state's resort industry with passes priced below 1980s levels. Cumming has owned Copper Mountain since 2009 and is well acquainted with running a ski area in the shadow of Vail Resorts, the continent's largest resort operator, which sells 500,000 season passes every year. Those ski areas along Interstate 70 packed with pass holders can amplify Eldora's out-of-the-way appeal, he said."

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