Originally Posted by spindrift
Because those are very much, by definition, "all conditions" skis. Look at that old Defago video from the Bec de Roses and compare it with the FWT skiers on the same pitch under same/similar conditions. At the end, Defago himself comments on the impact of his equipment. Obviously FWT comp type skis are not the best at all conditions. I mean yeah, obviously, they are not optimized for carving tight radius turns. On firm days at Crystal, I usually see even Tabke rocketing around on Piste Jibs rather than the GPOs. But things like the GPOs, and roughly similar efforts from other companies, will carve, smear, etc. And handle well under a very broad range of snow and terrain. Given that fact, I'd argue that these skis are more relevant for most skiers than race derived skis that are optimized for salted/injected ice.
This is getting at something that, in the back of my mind, I've been wanted to tell you for some time, ever since towards the end of your first thread on demoing, @chemist; in the kind of eager way that a kid collecting football cards would want to rush in and tell a next door friend that he just found a new, great card, "Here, come see, come see!"
Many of the pro Big Mountain or extreme comp skis are easy, versatile and career extending or just revelation-type powder/chop skis for older sorta skilled skiers like me too, maybe you, and the old hands at Christy's - but nobody believes them, they've told me; and sure enough, nobody believes me either.
K2 Pettitor 120 (Seth, Pettit and Pep Fujas) - crazy easy, and "do anything"; but only at the best mount positions - otherwise ordinary ski.
Annex/Pinnacle 118 (Seth and Fujas), to a slightly lesser extent - it may require slightly more skills, and a younger skier style - and it's less versatile
Atomic Automatic 117 (Dana and Sage) but only if mounted forward, correctly as per the pro rec.
Praxis GPO? (Tabke) -Want to try this ski very much.
Sol Rocker2 122? (Can't remember this pro's name, but I do remember his incredible pow videos and style - he's more of a backcountry super skier than an extreme skier, I think, not sure: but this is the pro ski he designed and used, and it sure worked for civilians too.)
What happened was, a bunch of friends I'd met who work at Christy's here in Colorado were telling me over and over there were a few of the comp big mountain pro signature skis that were not so much designed to be burly/fast, as manueverable, do everything, turn on a dime or not, just plain easy, and I really had to try them. At first, they meant the radical departure final fat Obsetheds 116, and then they meant the Pettitor 120 (Sean Pettit) and the Annex 118 (Seth). But only at the right lengths and the right (MOSTLY) forward mounting points - where the pros were skiing them. I also figured out, and tested on my own (and from other folks and TGR online), that the Atomic Auto 117 had the same story: it was an ordinary or even difficult ski if mounted back, and a breakthrough "do everything" ski when mounted where the two pros involved - Dana and Sage - recommended skiing them.
Man, I have wanted to tell folks this. They kill groomers too, really fun there.
Two old hand type guys there that I've especially hit if off with, and become good friends with, kept insisting that Seth Morrison's skis, in particular, were accessible and ski career extending for older folk like them and me. And the latest and best was the Pettitor, they said. Sure enough, TO THEM, and to me.
Edited by ski otter - 9/11/16 at 2:34pm