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post #31 of 57
It's best to visit Blue on a weekday, then it's enjoyable. Even a MLK or President's Day Monday is not tooooo bad. JFBB never seems crowded except for the lifts that service the easier terrain and terrain park, so just stay to the blacker/bluer end of the resort. I've only been to Elk on Friday bus trips, so can't comment on the weekend crowds. If I'm driving up on a weekend, why pass the crowds at Blue to experience them at Camelback? I think Blue's trails are just a bit wider than Camelback's.

After demoing at Elk, I really liked the Fischer Motive 86 and Elan Amphibio 88 XTi followed by the Rossi Experience 88. I purchased the Elan in 186 cm on deep discount, but I'm a big guy as my post name implies. You don't see many of the first two in the Poconos. You do see a lot of K2's and Salomon's (X-Drives). I didn't like those so much. Others I demoed didn't make enough impression for me to recall them. I don't think that Head or Blizzard was represented at the demo. As you would expect, not too many +88 mm skis, but also not too many +180 cm skis or cheater race skis, so my selection was limited.

I asked about moguls earlier to make sure the recommendations would consider that. You might get bored ripping the same groomers over and over. However, I'm not one to make recommendations for mogul-adequate skis.
post #32 of 57
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It's best to visit Blue on a weekday, then it's enjoyable. Even a MLK or President's Day Monday is not tooooo bad. JFBB never seems crowded except for the lifts that service the easier terrain and terrain park, so just stay to the blacker/bluer end of the resort. I've only been to Elk on Friday bus trips, so can't comment on the weekend crowds. If I'm driving up on a weekend, why pass the crowds at Blue to experience them at Camelback? I think Blue's trails are just a bit wider than Camelback's.

After demoing at Elk, I really liked the Fischer Motive 86 and Elan Amphibio 88 XTi followed by the Rossi Experience 88. I purchased the Elan in 186 cm on deep discount, but I'm a big guy as my post name implies. You don't see many of the first two in the Poconos. You do see a lot of K2's and Salomon's (X-Drives). I didn't like those so much. Others I demoed didn't make enough impression for me to recall them. I don't think that Head or Blizzard was represented at the demo. As you would expect, not too many +88 mm skis, but also not too many +180 cm skis or cheater race skis, so my selection was limited.

I asked about moguls earlier to make sure the recommendations would consider that. You might get bored ripping the same groomers over and over. However, I'm not one to make recommendations for mogul-adequate skis.

 

The Motive 86's and Amphibios espeically interest me, but I feel like they are what I would pick if I needed a one-ski quiver for the East and didn't already have other skis to cover soft conditions. Since I do, I feel like I may as well not compromise on hard snow grip and just look for something relatively narrow and carve-y.

 

186cm is a lot of ski! I'm probably looking more in that 170cm +/- 5 spectrum for hard snow skis, since I'm pretty small.

post #33 of 57
So here's two cents worth... If you already own an 80'something ski, that's you're 'storm day' ski. Your daily hard snow ski, if you have an 80'something, go a non FIS 18-21m GS ski or a regular full on SL ski. They ski better than the non-FIS SL skis.

I've skied the 2014-16 Titan a good deal. It's not a beast to ski at all. It likes to be turning, and will work fine off piste, but take some accurate input when the snow gets deeper and heavy. What none of the supershapes or othe non-race carving skis have is the performance top end of the race skis. A good cheater GS is unflappable at speed and more versatile than you might think once you get used to skiing them. I can't imagine living in the east without a pair. I might even recommend a FIS SL before a 'carver' depending on what you're aspirations are an what boot you're skiing. Anyhow...
post #34 of 57
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So here's two cents worth... If you already own an 80'something ski, that's you're 'storm day' ski. Your daily hard snow ski, if you have an 80'something, go a non FIS 18-21m GS ski or a regular full on SL ski. They ski better than the non-FIS SL skis.

I've skied the 2014-16 Titan a good deal. It's not a beast to ski at all. It likes to be turning, and will work fine off piste, but take some accurate input when the snow gets deeper and heavy. What none of the supershapes or othe non-race carving skis have is the performance top end of the race skis. A good cheater GS is unflappable at speed and more versatile than you might think once you get used to skiing them. I can't imagine living in the east without a pair. I might even recommend a FIS SL before a 'carver' depending on what you're aspirations are an what boot you're skiing. Anyhow...

 

I don't have an 80 something ski - I've got a 98mm, a 105mm, and a 117mm. Skis very much selected based on the western conditions I've had the past 5 seasons. I figure the logic is still valid though - on a day with fresh snow, the 98mm or 105mm pair will be fun as they both carve nicely assuming it's not really firm.

 

As for a boot, I'm using Salomon Quest 110's from a few years back. They definitely aren't race boots by any means, but they've been plenty of support for me being a lighter guy and riding mainly softer off piste. Which does open up the question of whether I need stiffer, race-ier boots as well...

 

Good to hear the Titan isn't too beastly - I'd imagine that extends to the Progressors as well. Totally get the top end on the race skis - I'm just not sure if I really need all that top end. It's highly unlikely that I'd ever really get into competitive racing. That being said, I will still look into it. If they aren't too hard to ski, maybe it's the right move.

post #35 of 57

I'm picking up a Volkl 90Eight W in the fall that surprisingly carves like a beast on firm snow.  I've also demoed the Head Super Shape Titan on a very firm day last March and it grabbed the hard pack like a champ and was a ton of fun as well.  

post #36 of 57

I also discovered the fabulous fun of a slalom ski and picked up one the end of last season.    Seriously the most fun I've ever had on skis.  I've only been on 2 different ones but it was enough to know I liked what I felt.  Mine is 70 underfoot, ice is its best friend and its so fun on top of it all.   The other one I tried was the Dynastar Omeglass Speed Fluid X ti or something like that.  Also hella fun but the Redster just resonated better with me, plus I got a better deal on it.  

post #37 of 57
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. A good cheater GS is unflappable at speed and more versatile than you might think once you get used to skiing them. I can't imagine living in the east without a pair. I might even recommend a FIS SL before a 'carver' depending on what you're aspirations are an what boot you're skiing. Anyhow...

 

 

^This

 

Your 98 waist will be your slush + corn ski.      Fresh snow days are de-facto mogul days, unless you drive to Vermont, say.

post #38 of 57
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OK I've started scratching the surface on race skis and am realizing that I know even less about these than regular piste skis haha. I've gathered that the slalom boards are in the low 10's for turn radius, and the cheater GS's are in the 15-20 range, but there are sooooo many of them out there that I don't even know where to start. 

 

If I'm going for cheater GS or SL skis, anyone have a recommendation? I've looked at the Redsters, Fischer RC4 World Cup, Head World Cup Rebels...and they're all blending together haha

post #39 of 57

5 year Western skier moving to PA - what skis do I need??..... Skis that will make it all the way from PA to the West !

post #40 of 57
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OK I've started scratching the surface on race skis and am realizing that I know even less about these than regular piste skis haha. I've gathered that the slalom boards are in the low 10's for turn radius, and the cheater GS's are in the 15-20 range, but there are sooooo many of them out there that I don't even know where to start. 

If I'm going for cheater GS or SL skis, anyone have a recommendation? I've looked at the Redsters, Fischer RC4 World Cup, Head World Cup Rebels...and they're all blending together haha

There really isn't a bad one in the bunch. Get whichever you can get a deal on.
post #41 of 57
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There really isn't a bad one in the bunch. Get whichever you can get a deal on.

 

Would I need to worry much about waist width, or should I be more concerned about turn radius? I'm guessing they all bite pretty damn hard on groomed snow whether they're 68mm waist or 74mm.

post #42 of 57
All the cheater GS's are anywhere from 68 to around 71-2. You won't feel the difference. I asked about your boot because these skis (any hard snow skis for that matter) like/need more precise input. The first few times you ski them, you'll wonder what the heck's wrong. It's like going for driving an SUV to a sports car. The 'what's wrong' is the input your giving the ski... yes, they let us know that we're not doing something very well. When you get your skiing dialed in accordingly, you'll be amazed with your progress as a skier. These are really some of the best skis on the market, period. If more folks east or west skied them, they'd discover a whole new performance top end.

If you're a lighter skier, look at the Rossi Master LT...
post #43 of 57
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All the cheater GS's are anywhere from 68 to around 71-2. You won't feel the difference. I asked about your boot because these skis (any hard snow skis for that matter) like/need more precise input. The first few times you ski them, you'll wonder what the heck's wrong. It's like going for driving an SUV to a sports car. The 'what's wrong' is the input your giving the ski... yes, they let us know that we're not doing something very well. When you get your skiing dialed in accordingly, you'll be amazed with your progress as a skier. These are really some of the best skis on the market, period. If more folks east or west skied them, they'd discover a whole new performance top end.

If you're a lighter skier, look at the Rossi Master LT...

 

Sounds like I may need a stiffer boot for the East...but I'll wait till I go skiing to see how these 110's do. Yeah I'm lighter, about 140lb. After sifting around a little bit, I'm looking at the "softer" flexing race skis (at least according to the internet) - Atomic Redster Edge GS/Redster LT, Fischer RC4 Worldcup RC/RC4 Superior...will look at those Rossis. Are there any Heads that are similar (i.e. slightly softer flex for lighter skiers)? I'm reading that the Supershape Rally is essentially this.

post #44 of 57
The rally is a good choice. Not a race ski, but a nice ski. If you go that route, absolutely do a good prep tune and base work. 1 and 3 for the edges, maybe even .5 and 3.
post #45 of 57
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The rally is a good choice. Not a race ski, but a nice ski. If you go that route, absolutely do a good prep tune and base work. 1 and 3 for the edges, maybe even .5 and 3.

 

0.5 base bevel means the edges will engage sooner correct? I will confess I do not have much experience when it comes to ski tuning.

post #46 of 57
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Interesting on the length there @sibhusky - my first inclination would have been closer to 170 since I ski my super rockered fatties at 179. But then, when I ski my 169 Slicers, they do feel kinda short, so you may be on to something there. The Rictors definitely sound like they would be a solid choice.

 

@JimH I was just looking at Progressors (800/900/F18/F19) and Supershapes (Rally and Titan) and it seems that the Progressor 900/F19 has a reputation for being pretty darn stiff and a little unforgiving. Similarly for the Titan, but less so. Would it be more advisable to go to the 800/F18 or Rally for a lighter advanced skier like myself (5'8", 140ish)? It sounds like the 900/F19/Titans would be monsters on groomers but maybe not as versatile for the occasional bump run, glade, etc. I may need a demo once the season rolls around.

Sorry for delay in replying.  Some background.  I am a level 8/9 skier and weigh 160 lbs. I ski about 60 days a year in Vermont and Colorado.  I had a pair of Progressor 8+ a number of years ago and liked them - good grip on the firm stuff, versatile and a fun bump ski.  Today I would probably go for the F19.  I demoed the Head Rally a few years ago when I was looking to replace the Progressors and really liked it.  Would have bought a pair if I had found one at a decent price.  Ended up finding a pair of Fischer Superior SCs (soft slalom race ski) at a giveaway price and that has become my hard snow groomer ski.  My other ski is currently a Fischer Motive 88 (replaced by the Motive 86).  The Motive is decent on the firm stuff, but nothing like the SC.  Much more versatile though.  With the other skis you have, I would definitely go narrower than 80mm and the Head Rally or Fischer Progressor F18 or F19 would be on the short list.

post #47 of 57
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Sorry for delay in replying.  Some background.  I am a level 8/9 skier and weigh 160 lbs. I ski about 60 days a year in Vermont and Colorado.  I had a pair of Progressor 8+ a number of years ago and liked them - good grip on the firm stuff, versatile and a fun bump ski.  Today I would probably go for the F19.  I demoed the Head Rally a few years ago when I was looking to replace the Progressors and really liked it.  Would have bought a pair if I had found one at a decent price.  Ended up finding a pair of Fischer Superior SCs (soft slalom race ski) at a giveaway price and that has become my hard snow groomer ski.  My other ski is currently a Fischer Motive 88 (replaced by the Motive 86).  The Motive is decent on the firm stuff, but nothing like the SC.  Much more versatile though.  With the other skis you have, I would definitely go narrower than 80mm and the Head Rally or Fischer Progressor F18 or F19 would be on the short list.

 

No worries man - I really appreciate the response. I've kind of arrived at the same short list as you've mentioned, with a couple additions. Here's what I'm considering seriously - what I buy and when I buy will seriously depend on price/sales...

 

i.Supershape Rally 170

Progressor F19 (maybe F18 too) 170

RC4 Superior RC/SC 165 or 170?

Atomic Redster Edge GS/Redster XTi 169

 

Or if I'm missing really good similar options, somebody help me out lol. I'm also assuming that at my weight and level (level 7/8, 140-145lbs) that a 170 length is correct, but somebody digitally smack me in the face if I should go shorter.

 

Also - I ski a Salomon Quest 110 flex freeride boot. Am I going to need something stiffer and/or race-ier to control carving/race skis properly, or should I just feel it out with my current boots once I get the skis and see how it goes?

post #48 of 57

I heard the Supershape rally is fun.  Not familiar with the two middle ones but the Redster XTI made me feel like a hero on what seemed like a solid sheet of ice on this one particular trail  Not saying my technique was perfect but those edges just dug right in there and I actually wasn't afraid for my life and got down the trail.  I think it was these skis on this trail that made me decide these were the slalom skis for me.  

 

Good luck with whatever pick. You've got a good list formed. 


Edited by surfsnowgirl - 6/7/16 at 12:37pm
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Also - I ski a Salomon Quest 110 flex freeride boot. Am I going to need something stiffer and/or race-ier to control carving/race skis properly, or should I just feel it out with my current boots once I get the skis and see how it goes?

 

I think it's more about fit and balance than flex.    Frex, it's dirt easy to pivot slip a fat ski with a sloppy boot.  

With a race ski where the balance point gets narrower (and with more binding lift) that would be an exercise in frustration accompanied by a crescendo of erratic off/on edge engagement.       Similarly with a tight but over-edged boot (you'd never even notice on a fat ski or might enjoy the feel).     

Don't forget that on a narrow ski one has to angulate more to stay stacked in dynamic balance - and too stiff a boot can hinder you there.

post #50 of 57
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I heard the Supershape rally is fun.  Not familiar with the two middle ones but the Redster XTI made me feel like a hero on what seemed like a solid sheet of ice on this one particular trail  Not saying my technique was perfect but those edges just dug right in there and I actually wasn't afraid for my life and got down the trail.  I think it was these skis on this trail that made me decide these were the slalom skis for me.  

 

Good luck with whatever pick. You've got a good list formed. 

 

Thanks! Yeah the Redster XTi looks like a nice mix between a true race ski and a regular piste ski, I've heard it's pretty forgiving. Based on the radius @ 169 and the waist width, it seems like it would be real similar to the Rally so I imagine they are decent substitutes for one another,

 

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I think it's more about fit and balance than flex.    Frex, it's dirt easy to pivot slip a fat ski with a sloppy boot.  

With a race ski where the balance point gets narrower (and with more binding lift) that would be an exercise in frustration accompanied by a crescendo of erratic off/on edge engagement.       Similarly with a tight but over-edged boot (you'd never even notice on a fat ski or might enjoy the feel).     

Don't forget that on a narrow ski one has to angulate more to stay stacked in dynamic balance - and too stiff a boot can hinder you there.

 

This makes sense to me; thanks. I'll hold off on boots until I ski and see how it goes. If it doesn't feel right at that point, then I'll think about a boot change.

post #51 of 57
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Thanks! Yeah the Redster XTi looks like a nice mix between a true race ski and a regular piste ski, I've heard it's pretty forgiving. Based on the radius @ 169 and the waist width, it seems like it would be real similar to the Rally so I imagine they are decent substitutes for one another,

 

 

This makes sense to me; thanks. I'll hold off on boots until I ski and see how it goes. If it doesn't feel right at that point, then I'll think about a boot change.

 

I'd read the Redster XTI is a cross breed between a GS and a SL ski so its supposed to be cool making both styles of turns. I am only going on my 5th season skiing so I'm not advanced by any means and I found the Redster quite easy to ski.  I never got the chance to demo the Rally, think the WW is the same.   I have the Redster in a 164. Can't wait to get it out in November.   I didn't think I liked Head skis but had a great time on the SuperShape Titan so my opinion has changed.   

 

I think you'll be great with any of these skis.  

post #52 of 57
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No worries man - I really appreciate the response. I've kind of arrived at the same short list as you've mentioned, with a couple additions. Here's what I'm considering seriously - what I buy and when I buy will seriously depend on price/sales...

 

i.Supershape Rally 170

Progressor F19 (maybe F18 too) 170

RC4 Superior RC/SC 165 or 170?

Atomic Redster Edge GS/Redster XTi 169

 

Or if I'm missing really good similar options, somebody help me out lol. I'm also assuming that at my weight and level (level 7/8, 140-145lbs) that a 170 length is correct, but somebody digitally smack me in the face if I should go shorter.

 

Also - I ski a Salomon Quest 110 flex freeride boot. Am I going to need something stiffer and/or race-ier to control carving/race skis properly, or should I just feel it out with my current boots once I get the skis and see how it goes?

As to length, I think you are in the ballpark as to length.  Probably a bit shorter for something like the Fischer SC (mine are 165) or similar consumer SL race ski or a narrow race carver like the Head SS i.Speed.  But 170 is probably about right for an all-mountain ski at your size.  Does depend on the ski and things like how much rocker it has.  

post #53 of 57
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Kinda resuscitating this a bit to ask a question. Appreciate all the suggestions, and to that end I'm looking to pick up a carving or forgiving race ski (if there is such a thing) once I get to PA.

 

However, the more I think about having as many skis as I will have once I get the carvers (would be 4), I'm seriously thinking about unloading the Atomic Automatics. They are awesome powder skis, but I just don't see them getting any use because they are such a specialized powder tool. And the reality is that even if I take a western trip/New England trip, I'm almost definitely packing the Influences instead of these because while they aren't quite as easy in the deep stuff, they are way better at everything else.

 

What would you guys do?

post #54 of 57
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Looking through Labor Day sales and finding a good deal on Salomon X-Drive 8.0 FS. Gets a really solid review on Blister and at 80mm (same as the Head Titan) seems like it would be a strong carver, although not quite as strong as some of the near-race skis I'm also considering. I feel like these would be easier on chopped up snow and bumps though.

 

Thoughts on the X-Drive 8.0 FS as a ski for PA? Good deal or should I hold out for something narrower?

post #55 of 57
I would suggest the Head I Speeds for Pa. skiing . Probably hard to find these skis steeply discounted however.
post #56 of 57
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I would suggest the Head I Speeds for Pa. skiing . Probably hard to find these skis steeply discounted however.

Those definitely look awesome, but yeah, discounts are hard to come by. Found a pair of Dynastar CR 74 Fluid X for a solid deal though that might fit the bill, 74 waisted carver.
post #57 of 57
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I finally pulled the trigger on a pair of Dynastar CR 74 Fluid X 172's! Read some great reviews on them and they are at stealing prices over at evo (if anyone wants a pair). Cant wait til the snow guns start blowing!

Thanks for everyone's feedback in here, it ultimately helped a ton in making this decision.
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