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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone, longtime lurker...

For the last number of seasons, I've been running a three ski Volkl quiver: Mantra, Gotama, and Kuro (plus backcountry setups, I guess). The Mantra was intended to be a cold snow groomer day ski, and while I like it, I want to get something way more groomer/hard fast snow specific.

I don't really want the ski to do anything other than rail hard carving turns - seriously, I don't want to make any compromises, I have other skis for other conditions. I'm not much of a ski tech, but after doing some research and talking to shop guys, I was pointed in the direction of the Head Titan. I demo'ed it yesterday. Awesome ski. Amazing carving turns, in the soft spring snow I could pretty much drag a hip throughout the turn which is exactly what I'm looking for.

My only two problems with the Titan were 1) I think I can pretty easily overwhelm the ski. I'm going to want to go way faster than it will and at my 230 pounds (ex-linebacker, ex-competitive skier), I can bend that ski like a pretzel. Both of these are partly because it's longest length is 177cm. 2) I think it's ultimately too short-turning for what I'm looking for. I want to carve, yes, but maybe not quite at the slalom level. I don't want to be full GS, but the 177cm ski is listed at about a 15m turn. I'm thinking a little longer would be a better fit.

I've been looking at the Head super shape Speed, partly because it seems to be more narrowly focused on carving (narrower waist), longer turning, and comes in a 184. Do you think this is a better setup, or should I be looking somewhere else altogether?

Thanks in advance!

About me - 6' , 230#, 30ish years old, ski very aggressively. Skied since 3 years old, grew up at a ski area, competed through middle and high school. Have skied all over the world, now based in Idaho
post #2 of 18

Atomic Redster doubledeck should hold up for what you want to do.  There's several models to choose from.  I got a Master's FIS GS ski this winter - looks like a toothpick, holds like a moray eel.  It's a step up from a dedicated front side carver, and goes into the realm of World Cup.  I'm 6'5", 205#, 50ish.

 

The Heads are pretty good from what I hear.  Sounds like you're heading in the right direction with a +180 ski length.  Good luck.  Demo'd yesterday???  Where?  Not Idaho........?

post #3 of 18

The Speed is one of my favourite skis.  Having said that, if you're bending a Titan too easily, and you want to stay with Head skis, I suspect you should look at the next step up - the World Cup Rebels Speed.  It's a stiffer version of the Supershape Speed, and is more ski altogether. 

 

Given your stated aim you could always go for a Masters race ski, or one of the earlier (23m) full-on GS skis.  It depends on the turn radius you're looking for.

 

Best of luck.


Edited by sinbad7 - 5/30/16 at 7:55pm
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post

Demo'd yesterday???  Where?  Not Idaho........?

Mammoth - we used to spend a lot of time there and were back for the 3-day weekend.

Thanks for both of your notes on the Worldcup and Atomics. I just spent some time looking at each and I think both look like great solutions. It kinda sounds like I need to be thinking more along the lines of a race ski or "cheater" ski and less of a, I dunno how to put it - consumer? - ski. If you're wondering why I'm so dense it's because I used to compete moguls and have been "big mountain" skiing, essentially since, so this is kinda a new world to me!

I'm still a little hung up on length... At their longest offered lengths of around 183cm, these skis seem so short to me!
post #5 of 18

Nordica Fire Arrow EDT in a 184 and don't look back.  They RIP. Unfortunately they are discontinued but can be had off of eBay very reasonably. I also blew up the Titans and am your size.

post #6 of 18

Step 1: Subscribe to realskiers.com.

Step 2: Filter reviews to pick out skis that are 180+ cm long, have a turn radius of 18+ m, and have traditional full camber. 

Step 3: Find one of those skis on sale.

 

Skis that come to mind:

Head World Cup Rebels i.speed at 185 cm;

Fischer RC4 World Cup RC

Nordica Doberman GSR Plate

 

Alternatively, and possibly cheaper you could get a GS racing ski from a previous year that had a shorter radius than current FIS specs; I think you would enjoy them.

post #7 of 18

No reason NOT to go with some sort of nice 18-21m race ski... Blizzard WRC, Rossi Hero Master, Head Rebels iSpeed (not the super shape), etc.... Lot's of fantastic skis in this segment that should be way up on your 'buy' list.

post #8 of 18

Stockli Laser SX, 178. If that's not enough ski, check out the Laser SX FIS, 185 or 190.

post #9 of 18

I second the Head Worldcup Rebels i.Speed or i.Speed Pro (even more ski, with the race plate and top binding) and the Nordica Dobermann GSRs. Way too much ski for me, but I suspect someone your size and muscles should be the skier these models are designed for.

post #10 of 18
New Nordica GSR is the same as theblizzard wrc
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

No reason NOT to go with some sort of nice 18-21m race ski... Blizzard WRC, Rossi Hero Master, Head Rebels iSpeed (not the super shape), etc.... Lot's of fantastic skis in this segment that should be way up on your 'buy' list.

 

Great advice here and I am moving over to the Nordica GSR's next year which is the same ski as the Blizzards.  Similarly, the Dynastar Course Premium is the same ski as the Rossi Hero Master. 

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

No reason NOT to go with some sort of nice 18-21m race ski... Blizzard WRC, Rossi Hero Master, Head Rebels iSpeed (not the super shape), etc.... Lot's of fantastic skis in this segment that should be way up on your 'buy' list.


This ^^^^^^.  The entire category is really good, actually great, these days. I would absolutely NOT be concerned with trying a couple in the 180cm range. In my experience, that length will be really a versatile ski in terms of turn shape for you. Will have plenty of top end, and actually feel like a longer radius ski, due to the layup. But, they will be abled to work into smaller turn shapes to control speed, etc. as needed.  They're fun. We all have personal experiences with the various brands. We have adult kids who were former NCAA/NorAM racers. The one who skis the least skis 60+ days a season. One is on snow all year long. So, between us, we've been on Blizzard, Dynastar, Fischer, Head, Nordica. My brother has Atomic and Rossi, and I have skied them both. It's hard NOT to find a good one. Our kids at one point swore they'd never try them. Now they're converts. The skis work. 

 

I'm a touch smaller than you are, not much. Pretty extensive background. My ski is a 180cm Head i.Speed. But if I were to try 3-4 of the latest, that choice might well change. I agree that the category should be right at the top of the list. Good advice. 

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post #14 of 18

Too bad they only sell 172 or shorter...

post #15 of 18


That's the Jr. ski. 

post #16 of 18
Didn't see that in the description. But thanks I was looking to buy a pair. Is it the "Team" that means it's a jr. ski?
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by mowmow View Post

Didn't see that in the description. But thanks I was looking to buy a pair. Is it the "Team" that means it's a jr. ski?

 

Given that the longest length made is a 172 or so, and it's a GS ski.... yes, the 'team' designation is for Jr. skis.... if you look on the level 9 menu, you'll see this:

 

  • Home 
  • Ski 
  • Skis 
  • Kids 
  • Head Worldcup I.GS RD Team Skis 2016
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by skiermike View Post

Hey everyone, longtime lurker...

For the last number of seasons, I've been running a three ski Volkl quiver: Mantra, Gotama, and Kuro (plus backcountry setups, I guess). The Mantra was intended to be a cold snow groomer day ski, and while I like it, I want to get something way more groomer/hard fast snow specific.

I don't really want the ski to do anything other than rail hard carving turns - seriously, I don't want to make any compromises, I have other skis for other conditions. I'm not much of a ski tech, but after doing some research and talking to shop guys, I was pointed in the direction of the Head Titan. I demo'ed it yesterday. Awesome ski. Amazing carving turns, in the soft spring snow I could pretty much drag a hip throughout the turn which is exactly what I'm looking for.

My only two problems with the Titan were 1) I think I can pretty easily overwhelm the ski. I'm going to want to go way faster than it will and at my 230 pounds (ex-linebacker, ex-competitive skier), I can bend that ski like a pretzel. Both of these are partly because it's longest length is 177cm. 2) I think it's ultimately too short-turning for what I'm looking for. I want to carve, yes, but maybe not quite at the slalom level. I don't want to be full GS, but the 177cm ski is listed at about a 15m turn. I'm thinking a little longer would be a better fit.

I've been looking at the Head super shape Speed, partly because it seems to be more narrowly focused on carving (narrower waist), longer turning, and comes in a 184. Do you think this is a better setup, or should I be looking somewhere else altogether?

Thanks in advance!

About me - 6' , 230#, 30ish years old, ski very aggressively. Skied since 3 years old, grew up at a ski area, competed through middle and high school. Have skied all over the world, now based in Idaho

Go to a Cheater GS in you can lay down tracks like you are saying. The Redster is a great pick, a little dull for me, and thats just me. The Head Rebel I Speed I just bought. Best GS I have been on in years. I would stay in the GS cheater line. 

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