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Anyone skied a Ramp Jailbird?

post #1 of 13
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This is Ramp's 70mm "race" ski. I just picked up a 175 for $149, based almost entirely on the price.  I wanted a carver that I could use for the beer-league race clinic/series at my home anthill here in PA; figured this would probably be fine. I'm just starting out, and if I develop more discerning taste in carvers I can start the process of demoing. The Jailbird doesn't need to be magical or transformative, just grip and turn within reason and also cost $149.

 

It sure is  hard to find any information about it, though. If you've skied it, please share your impressions.

 

I'd be pleased as punch if it turns out to be a decent ski. but If not, I will be neither emotionally or financially devastated.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 13
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LOL, I suspected I might hear crickets. It seems the Frenzy is more popular and commonly reviewed. It's very strange not to find ANY info on this ski, though.

 

Here's another question: I am having trouble finding bindings for this 70mm ski.  How big can I go with brake width?  I reckon I should wait to get the ski and measure the actual aft location where the brake would be, right?

 

Do companies sell brake widths other than what is commonly available via retail?  E.g., I like Marker Griffons.  Does Marker make them in an 80mm?  How would I find out?

 

Btw, if you buy the Jailbird with bindings from Ramp they pair the ski with Tyrolia Adreneline and Ambiton, which I believe are both backcountry touring bindings.  ?  I contacted them via their FB page  last week, but they never responded (although the message was read, according to FB).

 

Thanks for any help.

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by Sallycat View Post
 

LOL, I suspected I might hear crickets. It seems the Frenzy is more popular and commonly reviewed. It's very strange not to find ANY info on this ski, though.

 

Here's another question: I am having trouble finding bindings for this 70mm ski.  How big can I go with brake width?  I reckon I should wait to get the ski and measure the actual aft location where the brake would be, right?

 

Any race binding should fit.     You can get Look Maxflex for less than $150 with 80mm brakes.

I'm not surprised you're hearing crickets either - they didn't have any Jailbirds mounted for demo at the shop when I was there (all the Frenzies and Kummoniwannaskiyas you could want) - so maybe there's someone who skied one from the traveling demo truck?

post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks! I found a Look PX binding with 80mm brakes on Amazon for $106.  

 

I normally wouldn't buy without demoing, but $149 for a brand new ski that I can goof around in gates with is a risk worth taking.  Even if it only qualifies as "not totally  terrible"  it will serve a purpose.   I'll definitely review it next year, fwiw.

post #5 of 13

Sure, cheap and functional is good.

Talking of functional, do you have a good ski tuning resource?  

post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 

I have a tuning set-up in my basement. I invested in a good vice and some tools (stones, file guide, etc) along with a lot of patient practice and reading/watching instructional resources.  I'm totally comfortable waxing, de-burring, and sharpening side edges.   I also have two pair of old skis that A-Uncle was kind enough to give me, and I'm using those to learn to do p-tex repair. Long-term, I'm thinking of getting the SkiVIsions base-structuring tool to see if that can keep my skis out of the shop for as long as possible, but I'm not ready for that yet.   Bottom line, I'd  like to be able to do everything short of base grinding myself.  Partly to save money, but partly because I like to be able to take care of my own stuff.

post #7 of 13

Yeh, OK - I was rather taking all that for granted-   I was more talking about someone who can actually do a racey base grind and set up the (bamboo) sidewalls and bevels for ya so you can proceed to do the maintenance.    Shops that can do a good prep job are not commonplace.

I would *not* assume that RAMP will have done this.  At the very least you or someone you trust will want to go over what you have out of the wrapper.   

post #8 of 13
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Oh,  see what you mean!  Sorry, I'm a bit smitten with my new workshop :-)   Yes, I have someone who works at a good shop who can do that for me.  Thanks! 

post #9 of 13

I've not heard a lot about RAMP, at least here on Epicski.  

 

I get an odd vibe from their sales line, the one about how they rely on vacuum in their ski manufacturing process to squeeze the parts together.  In Park City, that limits them to about 12 psi.  I'm sure the hydraulic presses used by other manufacturers can go way higher than that.

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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post
 

I've not heard a lot about RAMP, at least here on Epicski.  

 

I get an odd vibe from their sales line, the one about how they rely on vacuum in their ski manufacturing process to squeeze the parts together.  In Park City, that limits them to about 12 psi.  I'm sure the hydraulic presses used by other manufacturers can go way higher than that.


Got curious since I'd never heard of RAMP before.  Found a few threads but no mention of anyone who has tried the Jailbird.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/129847/ramp-skis

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post #12 of 13
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I did see that, thanks; it's literally the only review I found;  sounds promising, though.  I demoed the RAMP Cork a few months ago and really liked it. Wasn't looking for a park ski  but it's what they had in the tent so I gave it a spin. It seemed solidly built and was really fun; held an edge well. 

post #13 of 13

Of the two pairs of RAMP skis I have, one of them is the very similar ski, a 180 length Kumoniwannaskiya. I had originally wanted to get the Jailbirds but RAMP had a sale back in February for $199 Kumoniwannaskiya.. so that's what I ended up getting because I if I didn't like them, I figured that I could resell them at a ski swap for what I paid for them.  My first run on the Kumoniwannaskiya the best I can explain it was they were just plain fun to ski on. Smooth, easy, and quick to transfer edges; the skis worked very well on the hardpack snow resulting from 6 weeks of no new snow at my local hill.  My only regret is that the Kumoniwannaskiya is not quite as fast of a ski as I would like.  Based on the specs I looked at when shopping for these skis, the Jailbirds should be a faster ski.   If the jailbirds ski anything like my experience with the Kumoniwannaskiya, the Jailbird should be a very fun pair of skis. Mine carve and hold an edge very well and are just more fun on hardpack snow when I compare them to my Rossi E88's or my Nordica Enforcers.  Keep in mind I'm 6ft and 200lbs advanced skier, so my experience might be different from someone else.

 

I've also got experience with the Chickadee, Groundhog, and Woodpecker skis through both my parents, sister, and fiancée. They have each owned at least 1 pair, and both my sister and fiancée have ordered or plan to order 80mm waisted RAMPs for the upcoming ski season to compliment their 100mm RAMP skis.  Otherwise the 90-100mm waisted RAMP skis are pretty solid skis, stable, responsive, fun, not too stiff, and quite forgiving to mistakes.

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