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post #31 of 50
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Following one's passion is not for people with a family to support--the family's interest comes first. And being relocated by one's company is not the same is moving to ski country with a high school education and no job waiting.


Let's not get snooty.  If you're 18, with a family and a high school education it's completely different than if you're in your 30s or 40s with an established work history.  As an employer myself I would jump at the chance to hire someone that was reliable and knew how to work.  That's worth a lot to many places.  The diploma only gets you in the door the first time.  After that it's what you make of your job and yourself that really counts.

 

Here's the OP who's talking about paying off his mortgage and who skis and does other expensive recreational activities.  The lack of a diploma at this point is hardly an issue.  Job availability is.

post #32 of 50
And housing availability. At least OP has the equity in his house, because there are few rentals here geared towards long term. I'm sure we're typical in that regard, but prices are still better than many resort areas. Hence the suggestions for Salt Lake.
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Rice said Montana businesses are unable to grow because there are no homes for new employees, a problem that has been especially prominent in Flathead County, and Whitefish in particular.

Housing costs in Whitefish are outpacing Flathead County and the state, displacing critical workers who fill the jobs driving the tourist-based economy.

Statewide, the average rent for a two-bedroom apartment is $724, but the rent that a low-income person can pay is only $468, Rice said.

According to U.S. Census data, the average renter pays $812 a month in Whitefish, whereas the average renter in Kalispell pays $731.

http://flatheadbeacon.com/2016/05/28/affordable-housing-leaders-fired-economic-crisis/
post #33 of 50

I agree with the SLC metro area, maybe including up to Park City, as having the best job opportunities as well as great skiing.  A friend who is not Mormon lived there and liked it a lot, and I agree about the smaller places and the totally Mormon social activities.  Bellingham, WA (Mt. Baker) perhaps.  Seattle has a great offset between the price of housing and the wages for non-tech workers.  Spokane, maybe.  Montana, maybe, check the jobs pay vs. housing costs.  Reno/Tahoe, beware of the warming & drought trend.

 

Just speaking for myself, I get bored at the same ski area all the time.  I want to be able to move around.  Some skiers are happy at the same area, kind'a like the golfer I know who always plays at the same course, but says that every different lie of his ball makes it a different course.

post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

Following one's passion is not for people with a family to support--the family's interest comes first. And being relocated by one's company is not the same is moving to ski country with a high school education and no job waiting.


Let's not get snooty.  If you're 18, with a family and a high school education it's completely different than if you're in your 30s or 40s with an established work history.  As an employer myself I would jump at the chance to hire someone that was reliable and knew how to work.  That's worth a lot to many places.  The diploma only gets you in the door the first time.  After that it's what you make of your job and yourself that really counts.

 

Here's the OP who's talking about paying off his mortgage and who skis and does other expensive recreational activities.  The lack of a diploma at this point is hardly an issue.  Job availability is.

There you go ReeferBen--there's a job waiting for you in Bellingham WA. (And if your user name means what I think it does note the availability of recreational marijuana in WA. Hope Pausane doesn't do drug testing of his employees.)

post #35 of 50
Somewhere he said it was related to coral or aquariums. But, yeah, not a name I'd pick if I was trying to avoid mislabeling.
post #36 of 50
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There you go ReeferBen--there's a job waiting for you in Bellingham WA.

I used myself as an example only.  My business isn't big enough to have full time employees, I hire workers seasonally, so he might like to go elsewhere for steady income.  It isn't in Bellingham, either.  It's in Mt. Vernon, WA.
 

He needs a place with health benefits and a decent wage. There are refineries and large manufacturers like Boeing in the area.  Amazon has huge warehousing in W. WA, etc.  Similar opportunities are available all over the West.  Someone with a good work history should be able to find something if he's flexible.

post #37 of 50

Go west young man, go west. I honestly don't know too many people who headed West that chose to go back East.

 

Another vote for Eastern Washington/North Idaho. Lots of everything good about the West and still not too many people. 5 pretty darned good ski areas that are affordable within an hour or so. Big enough city to offer work options. Affordable housing, some good school systems. Very nice 4 season weather with some really good watersports and biking to be had. Much dryer than Western Washington, much warmer than Central Montana. When you want a change The Powder Highway is a couple hours away. 

 

Not a perfect place but there is a lot of positive to be said for it. We lived there over 20 years, we are planning to return for the duration in the next couple of years.

 

That said there are a lot of really good choices being tossed out to you here on this thread my one suggestion would be to rent for a while before you buy. First impressions can be very deceptive. These places are our individual ideas of really good places, you have to choose yours.

post #38 of 50
There's skiing in Central Montana? Oh, right, Showdown. And, I guess Red Lodge could be considered Central Montana. But, generally the ski areas are in Western Montana, not so much different than North Idaho. Montana is a big state, so lots of different ecosystems.
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The eastern third of the state is plains country where the sky seems to find no limits. The central third is plains surrounding what are called "island" mountain ranges, and the western third, mountain ranges and valleys. In the southern central portion of the state is Yellowstone National Park with the world's most extensive area of geyser activity, harboring more than 10,000 thermal features. In the northwestern corner is Glacier National Park where spectacular mountain peaks were cut by glaciers. In the far eastern part of the state is Makoshika State Park where there are mysterious badland formations for visitors to see and enjoy.

I find a handy site for comparing various towns is this one: http://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/ (It's slow, though.)
post #39 of 50
No cost of living or income info though.
post #40 of 50
Yes there is. See where it says:
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Select a new category for more info:
People, Cost of Living, Economy, Housing, Health, Crime, Climate, Education, Transportation, Religion, Voting


Income is part of economy:
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No cost of living or income info though.
post #41 of 50
Not going to keep posting, but the housing tab is really informative.
post #42 of 50
Thread Starter 

Wow, this forum is really something.

 

Thanks to everyone on this thread. If I didn't have the upfront money to move and buy a house outright and support my self and son for a while I wouldn't consider this at all. I am in a good situation where I do and so am still sitting here in PA on the fence lol.

 

In the summer here we do a lot of dirt bike and ATV riding. We came back from a weekend trip riding over july 4th and when I came downstairs I found my son watching ski movies again. So I asked if he was missing skiing and he said "Even if I had the fastest bike, and could ride it the best skiing is 100x better then dirt biking."

 

I know one thing we both love the outdoors and love skiing. Yesterday we went out with the dirtbike (kx250) and ATV (raptor 700r) and today when I woke up he was out on to our ski mountain to do downhill mtb with a friend...and we both have work tomorrow.

 

No offense meant to my other small mountain skiers but skiing PA's highest vert 1082' and trails that are narrow with people dodging being part of the norm get sucky fast as winter goes on. The crowds are bad because the trails are so narrow. The seasons usually starts around xmas with 2-3 trails open and only 500-700 vert on a 15' wide straight down trail. That great skiing last till mid Jan when they finally begin opening new terrain finishing with the full 1082' that has no width or real volume to spread out and play. I am still there every weekend from opening day to closing day. This year by march we were in an inch of icy snow with sticks and dirt patches all over the place. Anyway I try to enjoy it just the same.

 

I am still looking at Ogden, UT and areas in CO, now I need to look more in WA and MT clearly. I may end up staying here playing the safe card, but every day when I am miserable at work I think man I only live once and who knows if I never take any chances.

post #43 of 50
The guy doing work on my deck says he's going crazy with work, he can't believe it. So, it seems the recession is over. Craigslist shows hundreds of jobs in the Kalispell area. Look for a house outside of the immediate Whitefish area and it's reasonable. Mountain biking is huge here as we're surrounded by federal and state lands.
post #44 of 50
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I may end up staying here playing the safe card...

Don't do this.  Where you go doesn't matter as much as the going.  Any of the places you mentioned are off the charts compared to where you are.  There is skiing and dirt biking in all of them.  There is employment, you have the funds, just GO!!!

 

If you don't do it now you'll miss another year of living in a place you want to be, and you won't be able to get it back.  None of them are perfect.  Each has it's strong and weak points, so just choose.

post #45 of 50
Sounds like you will fit in perfectly in UT.
post #46 of 50
I think you may wanna look long and hard at the Reno area. There is lots of wharehouse activity with Amazon and other regional distribution centers. No state income tax, close proximity to world class skiing and mountain biking. Dirt cheap season pass pricing
and one hell of a lot of dirt bike riding

Reno is a real city that's starting to boom again with vibrant night life and concert scene

So you may wanna consider it as an option

Oh yeah, you can buy hard liquor 24/7 try that one in Utah
post #47 of 50
Sounds like he'd be leaving the suburbs to live in the suburbs.
He's been considering simplifying his lifestyle. I have no familiarity with Reno, but a "real city"? Able to buy liquor 24/7? Your description isn't alluring.

OP, saw you're talking about being mortgage free and just subsisting. Check out your property taxes in various places, as you're not going to escape those. Our rate is considerably lower here than what we paid in NJ for a condo, but that may not be true everywhere. And I know lakefront property owners here were in an uproar a few years back. Also, if you're going to rely on propane, you might want to look into that. We've had some consolidation here and there's now no competition with the propane. For a while there, it was really bad. We can heat with wood, too, but there's some uncontrollable items you need to think about.
post #48 of 50
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Sounds like he'd be leaving the suburbs to live in the suburbs.
He's been considering simplifying his lifestyle. I have no familiarity with Reno, but a "real city"? Able to buy liquor 24/7? Your description isn't alluring.
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Reno is a pretty big area the op can select the amount of density he desires and cost.

My comparison was to Utah's blue laws vs. those in Nevada to some that's a very telling factor of societal norms in the states compared
post #49 of 50
@ReeferBen why not sell everything load up a trailer with the essentials you want to keep bikes skis etc and move for a year. You can look and see prices for what you want on Zillow easily. Concentrate on what your budget will allow you to afford paying cash. Give it 12 months minimum and if you hate it you can always sell the land. You could even whose to rent for a year until you find what your looking for. Don't be stuck. After you move you can always move back if you miss it.
post #50 of 50

I was going to suggest looking into Ogden over SLC.

 

Montana is really great and most areas have reasonable housing.  We love teh Whitefish area where Sibhusky lives and are hoping to buy a small house in the 200-300K range in the next few years.

 

I am guessing your son would prefer moving to the mountains over finishing HS in PA?  If not just wait a couple of years. Good news is that mom is wrong...assuming your health is good 40 is the new 30 and you don't need to rush it due to aging...having said that if there is no reason to wait then go!

 

Living closer to your playing areas should save you a lot of miles and gas for your truck.

 

You guys aught to try mountain biking - not the speed of dirt biking, but much better aerobic exercise - quieter too.

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