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Biased reviews - first skis - power tracks? [intermediate in Australia]

Poll Results: Which ski?

 
  • 50% (1)
    Rossignol experience 77 - 176
  • 50% (1)
    Dynastar powertrack 79 - 180
2 Total Votes  
post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi All,
Let me introduce myself. Long time reader, first post.
From Australia, not exactly the greatest snow fields. So we have a short season.
I used to ski as a child, recently started again and love it.
Started a 1-3 weekly trips per year to snow 3 yrs ago. To Aus fields or NZ.

I'm 6ft1 and 200lbs. Lower intermediate. Easily ski any green runs. Cautiously tackle some blue runs. Mostly skiing 170cm rental salomons. Our snow is pretty hard mostly, gets a bit cruddy late in the day as its warm here.

Looking for my first pair of skis to own. It is difficult for me to demo due to distance, short time at snow and very costly to demo skis.
Found there is too much info online. Many reviewers seem to have brand preference as they stock certain brands or have close relationships with some brands.

Much prefer to poll the general opinions. Will be investing in a few 1 on 1 lessons this year to get confident on blue runs.

Seem to have narrowed it down to 2 skis that will help me progress and be able to use for couple years.
- dynastar powertrack 79 in 180
- Rossi experience 77 in 176

Leaning towards dynastar

I am open to other suggestions, but cautious to over complicate this.

Much appreciated.
post #2 of 10

Have you got your own boots?  Don't look at skis until that is sorted.

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Yeah got boots the other year for comfort.

Also saw some k2 ikonic 80ti that got recommended
post #4 of 10
Did you buy boots for comfort or performance?
post #5 of 10

Hi Christian — welcome to Epic!

 

The boot question is vital (as Taxman & mtcyclist have said). If your feet slop around because the boots are too large, you'll have little control over your skis — that's not great for confidence. If by "comfort," you mean you went to a qualified boot fitter who sized your feet correctly, put you in a boot that seemed a bit tight, and then worked on the boot to make it comfortable, you're golden.

 

As for the skis, I've only demoed the big brothers (the E88 and the PT89) of both your options, and they were both great  — smooth, grippy, unflustered in crud. That doesn't help you, though — the narrower versions are different skis.

 

You might consider the mid-width options, too. A friend of mine, probably a low-medium intermediate, owns the E83 and likes a lot. The PT84 has gotten great reviews, too. 

 

Really, though, I doubt you'll go wrong. They'll be your first skis, and at your level, the nuances will likely be lost on you. You'll enjoy skiing them until you get the itch to buy skis again. ;)

 

The boot question is more important. That will make a huge difference.

post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input.
I didnt have the boots done by a bootfitter. They are 2014 model head boot, cant remember the model but lower intermediate flex.
Although not fitted, they are very tight fitting on all sides, i spent a bit of time trying different brands and sizes. Head seemed to fit shape of my feet better than others.

Thanks for the opinions, really much appreciated.
Last question...
Found some experience 75s in 176 on sale. Am i sending myself too far beginner? Without room to grow.

Narrow waists are attractive for our very hard conditions that we mostly have. And the 6 hr drive means we cant exactly go when the single best weekend happens.

I had a big fall 2 years ago, destroyed my confidence last season. I was confidently parrallel skiing some blues and steeper greens. Caught a frontside egde on the 168cm salomon xwing rental skis.
Then last year used some twin tips. Elan sling shot 171. Felt so wobbly and didnt help my confidence. I think they had 84 waists.

So i was concerned about edge hold on wider skis?
Or was this likely more the design of twin tips? Combined with my confidence?

Are the exp 84s likely to be fine? Assume my 200lb weight may help with the flex not being to stiff at my level.

Thanks again guys. Our ski shop staff knowledge is pretty bad too. So the thoughts are appreciated
post #7 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christianjb1985 View Post

Thanks for the input.
I didnt have the boots done by a bootfitter. They are 2014 model head boot, cant remember the model but lower intermediate flex.
Although not fitted, they are very tight fitting on all sides, i spent a bit of time trying different brands and sizes. Head seemed to fit shape of my feet better than others.

Thanks for the opinions, really much appreciated.
Last question...
Found some experience 75s in 176 on sale. Am i sending myself too far beginner? Without room to grow.

Narrow waists are attractive for our very hard conditions that we mostly have. And the 6 hr drive means we cant exactly go when the single best weekend happens.

I had a big fall 2 years ago, destroyed my confidence last season. I was confidently parrallel skiing some blues and steeper greens. Caught a frontside egde on the 168cm salomon xwing rental skis.
Then last year used some twin tips. Elan sling shot 171. Felt so wobbly and didnt help my confidence. I think they had 84 waists.

So i was concerned about edge hold on wider skis?
Or was this likely more the design of twin tips? Combined with my confidence?

Are the exp 84s likely to be fine? Assume my 200lb weight may help with the flex not being to stiff at my level.

Thanks again guys. Our ski shop staff knowledge is pretty bad too. So the thoughts are appreciated

 

I don't think you'd have a flex problem with the 84s. Your weight should help you out there. Whether the edge grip would be what you want is another question.

 

Edge grip, as I understand it, is about torsional stiffness. A ski that doesn't twist easily (and has a decent tune) should hold well on hard snow. I ski the Northeastern US, where ice is a constant, and my skis are an 84 (a Kästle) and a 100 — both hold extremely well, and both are torsionally rigid. 

 

A narrower waist is a good idea on hard snow, especially for a low intermediate, but I'm wondering about these particular skis. The question for the skis you've chosen (which I can't answer) is whether their torsional rigidity would be sufficient — reviews I've seen of the PT84, for instance, haven't been positive about that.   Your weight should allow you to bend stiffer skis.

 

Here's a short video about measuring torsional stiffness to give you an idea about what it means: http://www.epicski.com/t/127274/torsional-stiffness-testing-video-and-analysis#post_1717114

 

I'd give yourself a little more time to make a decision (though I understand your season's coming up! Good on ya!)  

 

In the meantime, as you're skiing, I'd think about what's happening in your boots. If there's no movement in there, you're of the lucky few who can wear boots right out of the box.

post #8 of 10

@Christianjb1985  I have sent a PM with some info that you may find useful.

post #9 of 10
post #10 of 10

Christian,

 

At your size, you are probably over whelming the skis you have been on. I suggest you get a 178-182 length ski. It needs to be forgiving ski, so you can improve on it. Having sharp edges and a tune of .75 degree base bevel and  3 degree side bevel will really help on the hardpack.  K2 makes a very forgiving all mountain ski, I think it is the Amp Rictor 82, or something similar with a 70ish waiste. 

 

Edge grip comes from torsional stiffness, enough length for your weight, and a good tune on the skis. Don't under estimate length as a factor. Also, within reason, longer lengths allow for easing up on the other two factors

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