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post #31 of 44
All discontinued skis at this point in time...
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by Gnarvin View Post

 

I have considered the Automatics in 109 as well but without a layer of titanal I am a little nervous about them. I looked at the Supernatural 108s extensively and they were actually in my top 2 of choices for a while but the reviews are just too mixed on them for me to pull the trigger on them.

 

 

after reading your initial post the Supernatural 108 was the first ski to come to mind for what you are looking for. had a chance to ride the 2017's at Alta this year  and they really handled choppy conditions great. very stable feeling, yet light and easy to throw around. Line makes quality fun skis - id be confident leaving the 88's at home and strictly use these on any western trips. really hold a nice edge for their width too

post #33 of 44
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the advice.  I was strongly considering the Line SN108 for a long time, but it seems like the reviews are very mixed and that doesn't give me a lot of confidence for a blind buy.  Obviously I would like to avoid a blind buy, but the reality of living in the SE is that when I ski around home, none of the ski hills/mountains have wide skis to demo.  

 

When I do go out West, I would prefer to avoid the hassle of demoing skis and just enjoy my time.  For example, when I was just at Whistler a couple months ago, it was VERY difficult to find places that demoed the skis I was interested in.  I went into that trip specifically wanting to find pairs of BMX105HP, Blizzard Cochise, and Line SN108 to demo.  However, most of the ski rental places were affiliated with WB and did not carry any of the skis I was interested in (Soul7 was ubiquitous as their mid-fat).  After walking around the village I found a place that had BMX105 (non-HP) to demo, but no 105HP and the BMX105s were not in the correct length.  I did not find a place that Blizzard Cochise or Line SN108s to demo, but maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place. 

 

After hearing all the good comments about the Volkl 100Eight, I am now strongly considering it. I am OK with it not having metal as all of the reviews praise it's crud performance and stability despite the lack of metal.  The one thing that concerns me most is that the ski is fully rockered.  I really did not like any of the skis in the past that I have tried that were full rocker.  It seems that all of the fully rockered skis I have tried had a loose and greasy feel and did not want to track very well unless they were on edge.  Obviously, most of the time I will be using some sort of edging, but there are times that running bases flat is required (straight lines, etc.) and I want to be able to trust the ski.  Can anyone weigh in on the Volkl 100Eights ability to track well bases flat?  It sounds like the skis carve well from all of the reviews.

 

I wish there would be some more comprehensive reviews of the Soul7HD as well...And the 16/17 ON3P Wrenegade 108 looks good too...This is waaaaay too difficult of a decision!

post #34 of 44
I do recall the first time I got on a pair of original K2 FOURS from the old, straight skis (early 90s) finding them disconcertingly squirrelly on straight runs. I've gotten used to the feeling and don't notice anymore. I can't directly address "loose and greasy", as each individual will have a different descriptive term for any given attribute a ski may or may not exhibit. I can say that my 100Eights don't feel unstable or unusual in any way when running straight. YMMV. As always, nothing beats a demo.
post #35 of 44

I demoed the Volkl 100eights and Volkl Katanas 112 on successive weekends and preferred the Katana - and bought last year's (black) model for half price instead of this year's (15/16), otherwise identical mostly white model.  It floats well in powder, is great for trees and tight spaces, and while quick, has for me an even better stable feel than the 100eights.  Both have the V-Werks construction that makes them very light but without the usual instability of a light ski.  Both are good on edge and in crud.  (I only skied the 100eight in ~3" of fresh, so don't know how it does in powder.)

 

The new Katana is not quite the super crud buster that the old, metal Katana was.   That ski was the best at that I've known of.   But the old Katana didn't float.  It wasn't a good powder ski.   The new one is, a great crud/powder ski combined (at least for a lighter weight skier like me; 150 lbs; 5'10").   And it's also good on groomers, fast or slow, as is the 100eight.   (Blistergear has a great review of the Katana by an ~190 lb. skier, that fits my own experience.  http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2014-2015-volkl-v-werks-katana)

 

Regarding the lack of camber with the full rocker in both these skis (the new Katana and the 100eight),  I usually have felt the shifty, greasy feel of such skis, but not with the 100eight or Katana (or the newer Volkl "no camber" 181 RTM model, for that matter).   I don't have enough time on the 100eight to say for sure, but with the Katana I don't notice a slippery feel at all.   I do notice a bit less pop to use in turns going slow on beginner slopes, because of the lack of camber for rebound.   So I had to take that into account.  But in all other conditions, the ski has plenty of pop and rebound.

I expect the 100eight to be similar, except perhaps even better this way since it's narrower.     


Edited by ski otter - 5/25/16 at 5:16pm
post #36 of 44
Metal katana not good in powder?
Really?

That's my favorite powder, crud ski.
post #37 of 44
By the way, second on the vwerks katana, great ski, holds a great edge, even though it's slightly rockered
post #38 of 44
Thread Starter 

I have only heard good things about the Volkl V Werks Katana too...If I can get a good deal then I would definitely consider it.  There are some good deals on 100Eights right now that are very tempting, as well. It will be torture to get new skis and have to wait forever to use them also haha.


This thread has only added more skis to my possibilities list! Not that it's a bad thing. I love getting the input from real skiers rather than from only biased magazines or from professional ski testers.

post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post

Metal katana not good in powder?
Really?

That's my favorite powder, crud ski.

Sorry.  Apologies.  Again, folks have to demo for themselves.  I borrowed a friend's pair for a few days, and tried it in crud and then deep.   In crud and variable it was the best.  

 

In powder, I guess different people like different things.   The new Enforcer 100, for example, does very, very well in powder, but down in it, not with so much float.   To me, the old Katana charges well there, especially when things get broken up.  But to me it didn't float well, though, just sorta powered through stuff, easily.   I like float, but I guess that's subjective and relative.   The newer Katana has both, to me, to a greater degree with the powder, as I recall.  And it was more manueverable, quicker - and easier for me, a lighter weight guy, to handle.  But I didn't ski the skis side by side to be sure - my experiences were a couple of years apart.   And the V-Werks Katana is the ski I've spent a lot of time on.   

post #40 of 44
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Originally Posted by Gnarvin View Post
 

Thanks for the advice.  I was strongly considering the Line SN108 for a long time, but it seems like the reviews are very mixed and that doesn't give me a lot of confidence for a blind buy.  Obviously I would like to avoid a blind buy, but the reality of living in the SE is that when I ski around home, none of the ski hills/mountains have wide skis to demo.  

 

When I do go out West, I would prefer to avoid the hassle of demoing skis and just enjoy my time.  For example, when I was just at Whistler a couple months ago, it was VERY difficult to find places that demoed the skis I was interested in.  I went into that trip specifically wanting to find pairs of BMX105HP, Blizzard Cochise, and Line SN108 to demo.  However, most of the ski rental places were affiliated with WB and did not carry any of the skis I was interested in (Soul7 was ubiquitous as their mid-fat).  After walking around the village I found a place that had BMX105 (non-HP) to demo, but no 105HP and the BMX105s were not in the correct length.  I did not find a place that Blizzard Cochise or Line SN108s to demo, but maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place. 

 

After hearing all the good comments about the Volkl 100Eight, I am now strongly considering it. I am OK with it not having metal as all of the reviews praise it's crud performance and stability despite the lack of metal.  The one thing that concerns me most is that the ski is fully rockered.  I really did not like any of the skis in the past that I have tried that were full rocker.  It seems that all of the fully rockered skis I have tried had a loose and greasy feel and did not want to track very well unless they were on edge.  Obviously, most of the time I will be using some sort of edging, but there are times that running bases flat is required (straight lines, etc.) and I want to be able to trust the ski.  Can anyone weigh in on the Volkl 100Eights ability to track well bases flat?  It sounds like the skis carve well from all of the reviews.

 

I wish there would be some more comprehensive reviews of the Soul7HD as well...And the 16/17 ON3P Wrenegade 108 looks good too...This is waaaaay too difficult of a decision!

 

Fanatyko in Whistler has most, if not all of those.

post #41 of 44
Thread Starter 

Sorry to revive this thread, but I am still in the market for a ski like I was talking about when I started the thread.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to try ANY of the skis I originally mentioned in this thread.  I had pretty much narrowed things down to the ON3P Wrenegade 108, Rossi Soul 7 HD, Blizzard Cochise, and Volkl 100Eight.  

 

However, this past weekend at Snowshoe, WV they had a demo weekend with a lot of free demos, though none of the skis mentioned above.  I had been somewhat interested in the Nordica Enforcer 100s in the past so I decided to give those a try on a whim.  The conditions were typical East Coast mixed conditions of spots of ice and spots of piled up crud. I really wasn't having a very good day skiing on my Experience 88s.  I ended up really liking the Enforcer 100s in 185cm.  They seemed to somehow have better edge grip on the icy spots than my E88s.  I also had been getting thrown around/bucked a bit by the crud piles when I was on my E88s, but the Enforcers made short work of the crud.  I must say I was really impressed with the Enforcers; both with their edge grip and stability.  They gave me confidence to open things up a bit and just blast through crud. They also were surprisingly maneuverable.

 

I would just buy the Enforcers, but I am wondering if they are a bit too narrow for the original purpose I was intending to buy new skis for.  Of the skis mentioned in this thread, which of them skis the most similar to the Enforcers?

 

Thanks

post #42 of 44
Buy the Enforcer. If the Enforcer does what you want it to, in the conditions you want it for, what else are you missing?

Unless you plan to be someplace where you really need a dedicated powder ski, or a powder ski that skis crud, or a crud ski that skis deep powder.
post #43 of 44
Thread Starter 

I am looking for a ski for taking out West to Whistler/Alta/etc. that will work well busting crud off piste and also will work well dealing with tracked out powder.  Think Whistler Bowl, steeps off of Harmony Ridge, High Rustler at Alta, etc. That is the reason that I am questioning whether 100mm will be wide enough.  

post #44 of 44
Thread Starter 

I am looking for a ski for taking out West to Whistler/Alta/etc. that will work well busting crud off piste and also will work well dealing with tracked out powder.  Think Whistler Bowl, steeps off of Harmony Ridge, High Rustler at Alta, etc. That is the reason that I am questioning whether 100mm will be wide enough.  

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