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Skiers Edge Belts

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

OK I got my SE II and I like it but I have already broken a belt. I saw something about them being $200

Has anyone figured out what the industrial part number on a 45x8 mm rubber belt. It seems to be pulling about 75-80

pounds stretched 12-14". That should not be that hard to find for $4 a foot or so.  Maybe we can split a roll.

post #2 of 25
Thread Starter 

I am going to try synthetic rubber rope. I found 7/16" at about 40 cents a foot in a 150' roll on Amazon. I figure 3 strands will get me close to the same tension. I did find some flat pulleys. If this works I will get some multi wheel pulley blocks. The up side is if it breaks it is likely to go one at a time so the chance of being launched into the furniture will be less.

post #3 of 25

Will be watching to see how this works out for you. I need a new belt also.

post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 

OK the short answer, no joy.

I put the rubber rope on there and it looked great but the stretch characteristics are wrong. Maybe if I had the right media it would work better. I an going to try it without the pulleys to shorten up the draw but I am not confident. Next try is trucker bungees but I am going to try to track down the

real belts.

 

post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 

I am thinking about going a whole other way. Why not ditch the rubber altogether and use springs? I am thinking garage door type springs.

I will keep you posted,.

post #6 of 25

Sounds interesting.  If I find the older belts I'll let you know.

post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 

I have an Email in to SE about buying belts but they have not answered me. I have been playing with the geometry to use a pair of garage door springs and the next time I get up to the hardware store I am going to get the parts to give it a shot. I hope they will have a good sense of humor about me bring back the springs to swap for another size if I guess wrong. At full extension the original belt seems to pull about 80-90 pounds and they rate a garage spring at XX pounds but I am not sure what extension that is and I will be using them "double hauled" so 160 will be the power I really need. This might not end up being a garage door spring.

post #8 of 25

I've been in business most of my working life. Some things never cease to amaze me. Skiers Edge not providing belts at a reasonable cost for the machines that made their company what it is today bugs me. I don't think I would buy a currant machine, even though they are awesome, if they are not going to provide support for it down the road.  Business 101.

post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 

This project is becoming cumbersome enough that I would buy the belts if they would sell them to me but their support is ridiculously non existent.

The geometry for springs is daunting without having one going slack and the chance of snarling the cables. I would like to maintain constant tension on them varying with trolley position. It might work better if I used webbing that would fold flat and the existing pulleys but I do not have an easy way to terminate it.The frustrating thing is I saw the first machine like this in 1968 and I am sure it used springs. I just do not remember how it worked.

post #10 of 25

The last time someone posted about getting a powder band replaced for an old Skiers Edge was in 2013.  You might try calling.

 

The Skiers Edge website lists all older models, so gives the impression that they will see replacement power bands for any used SE that has a serial number.

 

http://skiersedge.com/used_machines/index.html

 

Quote: = from 2013
Originally Posted by mikerski View Post
 

Further to my earlier observations, I sent the same observations also to the Skier's Edge Company, not expecting much of a response.  This is what they sent back:

 

Thanks for taking the time to contact the Skier’s Edge Company. We have reviewed your letter and we want to extend a new set of power bands to you with an extended 5 year warranty. I have attached a copy of an official letter stating that bands will be provided to you and with a 5 year warranty. 

 

You have to say that that is pretty impressive customer service  (i haven't seen the bands yet [it's too early], but I'm sure I will).  All in all, I am extremely impressed with their response to date.  They stated that they had seen problems with the bands, and have changed supplier, so hopefully, failing bands will become a rarer event.  The warranty has been extended to 5 years, which also gives some confidence that they will last longer.

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Originally Posted by twa2w View Post

Funny they gave you a 5 year warrranty. I called them recently and was told they recommend replacing the bands every 2 years. In fact if you want to order any parts/accessories they ask for your serial number and will not replace any parts or accessories unless they have a record of you buying new bands within the last 2 years.
i guess they must still have a QC issue

 

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post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 

They have a great picture of my machine on that web page but there is no link for parts and they still have not responded to the Email I sent on the contact link.

post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
 

They have a great picture of my machine on that web page but there is no link for parts and they still have not responded to the Email I sent on the contact link.


You might try calling the 800 number during the work week.

 

Reason I'm interested in what you find out is that I got a SE II a few years ago for a very low price (<$100).  Bought it from the original owner who had taken very good care of it.  He had replaced the belts only a couple years before deciding to sell all his ski gear.  I don't use the SE that often, but like having it around in the fall.

post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 

SE should move into the 21st century. These days I avoid the phone because you really have no record of what they tell you and the people answering may not really know much.

post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
 

SE should move into the 21st century. These days I avoid the phone because you really have no record of what they tell you and the people answering may not really know much.


I completely agree and much prefer email over using the phone.  That's one of the criteria I use when booking VRBO condos for a ski trip.  If I can't get a response by email in a day or two, I move on to other options.

 

However, your question is fairly simple.  I've read of people having good experience on the phone with Skiers Edge when they were thinking about buying a new one.

post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 

The more I try, the harder this becomes. I got them on the phone and they will not sell me a belt without a valid serial number and it seems to be missing on this machine.

post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
 

The more I try, the harder this becomes. I got them on the phone and they will not sell me a belt without a valid serial number and it seems to be missing on this machine.


Oof, not good.  :( 

post #17 of 25

I remember finding some bands that looked like that when we were kids.  They were O-Rings made to go between concrete sewer main sections.  Provided you could find a supplier that sells the right size I doubt they'd sell them individually, probably like 100 per box or so.

 

We had a lot of fun with the one we found.  Made a giant sling shot among other things before we totally destroyed it.

post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 

I know what you are talking about and I might even be able to get them one at a time but they are too thick to go through the pulley.

This phone business is even getting more frustrating The rep I talked to said a supervisor was going to call me back but 4 hours later, no call.

My next try will be with about 8 trucker bungees, 4 per side but I have not given up on the idea of springs. They should last forever but finding the right ones might be a trick.

post #19 of 25
Thread Starter 

OK I finally got the sales manager at SE on the phone and they absolutely refuse to sell me a belt if I can't come up with a serial number. I even sent them a picture of the machine. I have tracked down the S/N but I was too far into this to give up.

I found out six 41" trucker bungees works well enough that it is tolerable although it is still not exactly the same "spring rate". I am playing with it as we speak. If you attach them at different points on the fixed end you can get pretty close. It gives you the soft start and harder end near the stops. I may still buy the real belts but I do have a bail out option if the new ones crap out as fast as the ones that were on the machine when I got it. I have a counter on this machine and I know it failed somewhere around 3500 cycles. (Guessing about how many I did before I got the counter working)

 

This is the bungee setup

 

post #20 of 25

This thread brings a chuckle to me.  Not necessarily a happy memory, exactly, but memories nonetheless of one of the more exasperating experiences of my life.

 

In 1991, I had an ACL reconstruction on my left knee.  Being an avid skier, I decided that a Skier's Edge would be a great rehab and recovery tool while I rebuilt my knee and leg.  I bought the damned thing new and started using it a lot.  Like an hour a day.  I liked the workout and I felt that it was really helping me strengthen everything AND it was promoting a motion that I would use come ski season.

 

Well, my first set of belts lasted maybe three months.  I called SE, complained, was sold a new set of belts at half price.  Those also lasted 2 or 3 months.

 

When I called to complain again, I was told that my weight (195# then and now) was too high and I was overpowering the belts.  They sent me "heavy duty" belts at regular price.  I couldn't tell any difference when installing the HD belts and couldn't tell any difference in use, and those broke as well after a few months of use.

 

By that time, it was dawning on me that I could bankrupt myself buying new belts for this infernal machine.

 

When THAT set of belts broke, I had reached my limit.  I took the machine out to a farm pond in the country, rowed it out in a little boat, and dumped it over the side.  I'd like to think that it still might be providing habitat for the largemouth bass and bluegills that live there, but I think it's far more likely that it rusted into nothingness in a couple of years.  As far as I was concerned (and still am) the Skier's Edge was a piece of junk that I would never wish upon a friend.

post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 

I actually like the machine but I would like to find a way to avoid the belt scam. Springs sound like the lasting solution but the "spring rate" of their belts seems like it is hard to duplicate and with the wrong spring rate, this thing is a death trap.

I am learning a lot about springs tho. There are lots of resources on the net. I still think the first machine I saw like this used springs but it was 50 years ago and I am a little fuzzy on the details.

post #22 of 25

I bought an older used machine when I got back into skiing after a few decades off.  It had not been used in a while and the powerband was old and stiff.  After using it a while, it freed up a bit and then it broke.  Not wanting to spend the money on the replacement (SE quoted the wrong belt anyway), I tried bungies.  The ones I use are the newer flat HD bungies.  Not the black rubber trucker ones, but the nylon fabric covered ones.  You have to use several and you can combine different length and routing to get the resistance you want.  This is a much safer approach than the original design, since you are not relying on just one band.  Works great and you can get replacements at you local Menards (or whatever Home supply store you prefer).

post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 

Ah a fellow traveler down the road to reverse engineering this thing. I still have an undamaged half of the long belt and a big spring scale . I want to set up a rig with a boat winch and get a real measurement of the spring rate.

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 

This thread brings a chuckle to me.  Not necessarily a happy memory, exactly, but memories nonetheless of one of the more exasperating experiences of my life.

 

In 1991, I had an ACL reconstruction on my left knee.  Being an avid skier, I decided that a Skier's Edge would be a great rehab and recovery tool while I rebuilt my knee and leg.  I bought the damned thing new and started using it a lot.  Like an hour a day.  I liked the workout and I felt that it was really helping me strengthen everything AND it was promoting a motion that I would use come ski season.

 

Well, my first set of belts lasted maybe three months.  I called SE, complained, was sold a new set of belts at half price.  Those also lasted 2 or 3 months.

 

When I called to complain again, I was told that my weight (195# then and now) was too high and I was overpowering the belts.  They sent me "heavy duty" belts at regular price.  I couldn't tell any difference when installing the HD belts and couldn't tell any difference in use, and those broke as well after a few months of use.

 

By that time, it was dawning on me that I could bankrupt myself buying new belts for this infernal machine.

 

When THAT set of belts broke, I had reached my limit.  I took the machine out to a farm pond in the country, rowed it out in a little boat, and dumped it over the side.  I'd like to think that it still might be providing habitat for the largemouth bass and bluegills that live there, but I think it's far more likely that it rusted into nothingness in a couple of years.  As far as I was concerned (and still am) the Skier's Edge was a piece of junk that I would never wish upon a friend.

 

 

I think you might be the exception Bob, suspect most Skier's Edge machines are purchased, used for a couple of weeks and like a lot of other home exercise equipment shoved into a corner of the basement. They don't design it to be used much more than that? My cousin who lives in Florida bought one brand new to get in shape one year. He used it to prepare for the season, skied five days and never used it again. Don't remember exactly when he purchased it but last summer he hauled it to WV and gave it to me. It is now shoved in the corner of my basement, next to my NordicTrack. I am wondering how dangerous it is if the belt breaks while you are exercising? 

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

 You might try calling.

 

I have had very good experiences dealing with Skier's Edge customer service.  Phone is best.  

 

I bought the machine new this year at a significant discount, and it came with the 5-year warranty.  Rubber wears out, and there is still no substitute for some uses- like tires.  You may think it's just a basic part but I would get it from the company.  Unfortunately you will pay a "monopoly" premium but you will get the best use.

 

Dunlop still makes the only good squash ball in the world.  It wears out... and they charge their premium.  Wilson, Black Knight, Head, Prince, and others have all tried to market a ball. They even tried a substitute on the pro circuit-- briefly.  It is just a simple rubber ball, yet no one but Dunlop can make one that is playable at a high level.

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