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Tram to the top of Baldy?? Alta's proposed improvements

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Personally I love Alta the way it is and have a season pass to prove it. here's a couple of links discussing Alta's "dreams"

not sure of how to properly insert links, sorry

 

 

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3832806-155/altas-dream-a-tram-to-the?page=1

 

http://snowbrains.com/altas-proposed-improvement-plan-includes-tram-to-top-of-mt-baldy/

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For the official Master Development Plan for Alta, links are here in Skiing News:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/146778/5-year-plans-for-alta-and-snowbasin

 

The idea of a tram on Baldy has been listed in the MDP for a while.  Sounds like it's more for ski patrol, but the door is left open for others.

 

Doesn't Bridger have a little lift near the top that is only for use by ski patrol?

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Doesn't Bridger have a little lift near the top that is only for use by ski patrol?

When I lived there in the early 90's there was a rope tow accessing 'The Ridge' that was just for ski patrol. It was a bit annoying hiking next to it.

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Doesn't Bridger have a little lift near the top that is only for use by ski patrol?

When I lived there in the early 90's there was a rope tow accessing 'The Ridge' that was just for ski patrol. It was a bit annoying hiking next to it.


Guess it was still there around 2011 for sure.  Found this in a write up about Bridger on Powder Hounds.  I have a vague image of seeing a tow rope of some type getting off the Bridger lift in 2012.  Wasn't up for hiking something like the Ridge at that point.

 

"What is intriguing at Bridger Bowl is the lift that isn’t there. ‘The lift that isn’t there,’ I hear you say?! Mysterious indeed. Skiers’ right of the top of the Bridger lift is a perfectly good drag lift that gets you all the way to the top of the Ridge. The only problem is that it’s not on the trail map because you can’t use it. It is designated for the use of Ski Patrol only. What? Ski Patrol only. Apparently it is NOT a joke. To access the Ridge Terrain you walk up alongside this perfectly good lift. Now we’re certainly not against earning turns, but honestly, this is ridiculous. The mystery lift – see if you can scam a ride!"

 

http://www.powderhounds.com/USA/Montana/BridgerBowl/Ski-Resort.aspx

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^^^ I swear I did not write that ^^^

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What does a 125-skier/hour tram look like? Snowbasin calls its 15-passenger tram "450 skiers per hour." Which I guess is based on filling it to capacity and sending a new car up every 2 minutes. Depending on the exact alignment, it looks to me like the Alta tram would be ~135% or 140% the length of Allen Peak. So are they looking at a 5-person tram (and 25 theoretical cars in an hour)? Are there examples of 5-person tram cars out there? Seems like it would get crowded!

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What does a 125-skier/hour tram look like? Snowbasin calls its 15-passenger tram "450 skiers per hour." Which I guess is based on filling it to capacity and sending a new car up every 2 minutes. Depending on the exact alignment, it looks to me like the Alta tram would be ~135% or 140% the length of Allen Peak. So are they looking at a 5-person tram (and 25 theoretical cars in an hour)? Are there examples of 5-person tram cars out there? Seems like it would get crowded!


Liftblog has written up the details about the lifts in the Alta MDP under review.  Includes the maps that show the routes of the proposed new lifts.

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/04/30/alta-wants-a-tram-and-a-chondola/

 

Here's a summary of the Baldy tram idea:

"Alta also wants to build a “beer can” tram up Mt. Baldy similar to the Lone Peak Tram at Big Sky and the Allen Peak Tram at Snowbasin.  The tram would start at Germania Pass, just below the top of Collins and reach Mt. Baldy’s summit with no intermediate towers.  The tram would allow Alta Ski Patrol to retire the Howitzer and Avalaunchers they currently use for control work on Baldy.  But the tram would also be open to the public with a limited capacity of 150 skiers per hour. For comparison, Big Sky and Snowbasin’s 15-passenger jig-backs move 200 and 360 skiers per hour, respectively."

 

I'm guessing the thinking behind replacing Sunnyside with a chondola is more for potential summer use than for skiers.  Sugar Mtn in NC installed a chondola for 2015-16 with great fanfare.  But only owns one gondola that was used for the grand opening ceremony and then was packed away.

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Reading the April 2016 Forest Service Proposed Action documentation more carefully, the primary justification for a tram on Baldy is clearly avalanche control, not making it easier for people to get to the top of Baldy without hiking.  The subtitle of the section about the tram is "Avalanche Control", in contrast to a later section about adding a new lift.  Even allowing skiers who aren’t ski patrol to use the tram is related: "Skier compaction is also an effective tool in avalanche control.”

 

The rest of the section is about GazEx.  Not only to allow the Howitzer to be retired, but also to lessen the need for paying for heli time to deploy explosives: "Changing to GazEx or other equivalent technologies could allow for safer, unmanned, avalanche control. These technologies would allow Alta to retire three Avalaunchers, hopefully minimizing dependence on explosives and rental helicopter services."

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