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post #61 of 82

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post #62 of 82

Wider does not make them better; boots should be as narrow as you can wear them without discomfort once they have packed in and had the tight spots punched out.  There shouldn't be any play in your boots; your boots should grip your feet like your hands grip a steering wheel.

Just say'n.

post #63 of 82
Wide, comfortable boots are great in the lift line and drinking pops by the fire but your skiing will be compromised significantly. If you are new to skiing and buying boots, understand that they should be almost ridiculously snug. Ideally your foot is almost completely immobilized except for some good wiggle in the toes. Snug ( and stiff) boots transfer the instructions from your feet to the ski instantaneously
post #64 of 82

Gotta love the interwebs and maybe (bad) assumptions - maybe he actually NEEDS wider boots (I love my 104 width that don't constantly make my feet numb).

 

Maybe even needs wider boots more than a 120 flex. You can actually determine a need for a wider boot more than you can some arbitrary flex number.

post #65 of 82
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
 

Gotta love the interwebs and maybe (bad) assumptions - maybe he actually NEEDS wider boots (I love my 104 width that don't constantly make my feet numb).

 

Maybe even needs wider boots more than a 120 flex. You can actually determine a need for a wider boot more than you can some arbitrary flex number.

I have a C width foot and a 98mm last boot. My feet don't get numb because the lower buckles are just tight enough to stay closed (usually). An Intuition PW helps keep things snug where they need to be and still have wiggle room where they don't. 

 

Now that we've convinced this fellow to buy new boots we'd better hope he feels it was worth it.

post #66 of 82
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Originally Posted by LeoNZ View Post

Thanks everyone for the input. I learned a lot.

I went for some 120 boots. As some observed the stiffness number wasn't the whole story, but it was the main driver.

The boots I had were never amazing. New skis made a huge difference but the new boots didn't change much over rental boots - while friends were saying that boots are the most important thing. Didn't love them, basically.

New boots are wider and so likely more comfortable and have the walk function as well as being supposedly stiffer.

Glad you found what you want. Boot choice is very personal, some like a little more comfort and some like a little more performance. The right boot is the one that meets your expectation of this.

Cheers
post #67 of 82
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

I have a C width foot and a 98mm last boot. My feet don't get numb because the lower buckles are just tight enough to stay closed (usually). An Intuition PW helps keep things snug where they need to be and still have wiggle room where they don't. 

 

Now that we've convinced this fellow to buy new boots we'd better hope he feels it was worth it.

 

I have E foot, 104 boots, intuition "luxury" liners, custom footbeds and a bunch of punches.

 

Everyone's foot (and antatomy) is different.

post #68 of 82

The problem with this kind of threads and with the bootfitters part of the forum as well (which is not of great value IMO) is that instead of concentrating on the OP's particular situation and give him adequate advises ( to the extend that an internet bootfitting advise can be adequate) many posts simply try to denigrate other posts - an exercise that we see in many 'technical' threads which is by no means of any value to the OP. So no wonder after 3 pages and 65 answers the outcome is this -- '' wide and comfortable boots '' . ( and we don't even discuss slippers here ,we discuss ski boots)

post #69 of 82

Skis and boots need to be a matched set. We always used to say 'soft ski soft boot, stiff ski stiff boot'. I keep a quiver of different boots around.

 

post #70 of 82

You keep a quiver of wide boots.

post #71 of 82
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Now he bought himself correctly sized Lange 120's off eBay (yes perfect fit) and loves them (took some convincing to not go too stiff as great fit is an important part of the picture), the little softness allows just enough progression for proper engagement and release of the edges.
 

 

OMG .... Hell hath frozen over...... it's been over a week now and you still haven't been schooled on the horrors of buying boots outside of the brick and mortar ski shop!!!!

post #72 of 82
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You keep a quiver of wide boots.


Yes, High Volume, Wide.  I wear 6E shoes. Can't stand tongue liners. None of these are particularly stiff, there really aren't any high volume,wide,stiff boots on the market. The PowerWrap liners make a reasonable flex upgrade for me.

post #73 of 82
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Yes, High Volume, Wide.  I wear 6E shoes. Can't stand tongue liners. None of these are particularly stiff, there really aren't any high volume,wide,stiff boots on the market. The PowerWrap liners make a reasonable flex upgrade for me.


Yes you are right. You are in the 100 vs 120 thread ( not in the 150 vs 170)

post #74 of 82

Another issue many people forget is the effect of temperature on the flex of their boots. Most boots are 4 times stiffer at 0 degrees farenheit compared to room temperature. The shells also contract a bit when cold creating a tighter fit on cold days. I tend to use a different boot in very cold weather

post #75 of 82
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

Now he bought himself correctly sized Lange 120's off eBay (yes perfect fit) and loves them (took some convincing to not go too stiff as great fit is an important part of the picture), the little softness allows just enough progression for proper engagement and release of the edges.

 

OMG .... Hell hath frozen over...... it's been over a week now and you still haven't been schooled on the horrors of buying boots outside of the brick and mortar ski shop!!!!

Now be nice, buying boots online isn't for everyone for a lot of reasons (make that most). If you read back on some of my older posts, if you are asking how to do it, you shouldn't. There are a lot on this site that do, because they know what they need and more importantly don't complain if it goes wrong.

As to my nephew yes we knew exactly what boot and size he needed, he is one of the lucky ones that don't need any tweaks on a stock Lange boot.

So can it be done successfully, yes (I bought mine first that way), are there risks, hell yes! Can you save a ton, hell yes!!!.

Now as to savings done right, 2 sets of race boots, new old stock, perfect fit retail list price $1,600 (for both total), paid including shipping $250.00 (for both total). That's worth two new sets of race skis online (new old stock).

Don't knock it as it does work, don't complain if it doesn't.
Edited by oldschoolskier - 5/19/16 at 2:56pm
post #76 of 82
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Originally Posted by BullOfTheWoods View Post
 

Skis and boots need to be a matched set. We always used to say 'soft ski soft boot, stiff ski stiff boot'. I keep a quiver of different boots around.

 

I agree--skiing with a different kind of boot on each foot or a different kind of ski on each foot rarely works.

post #77 of 82

100, they are much lighter, I think the 120's are uncomfortable and they feel a little stiff.

post #78 of 82

Another question related to the same "boots fitting" subject (didn't wanna create a new topic just for this, but maybe someone can help me here).

 

I've found a nice pair of boots (Head Advant Edge 105) for a good price and they fit me quite well. The dimensions seem alright (for example, I tried the "shell fit" test and had about 2,5cm [1 inch] of space between my heel and the back of the boot, which is the recommendable space).

 

Then, making some effort, in the store, I managed to buckle the boots up completely (at which point they felt quite tight, but still ok).
Is that a bad sign? I mean, I know the boots tend to "open up" a bit after a few days of use, so if I already managed to buckle them all the way up on the first day, does that mean they're probably too big?

 

Moreover, do you think 105 is (in general) a good flex for an intermediate skier working to level up? (I'm 1,85m and 82kg / 6'1" and 181lbs, and like skiing kind of aggressively, though not insanely. Not sure if I should just get a higher flex already, which should keep me satisfied for longer)

 

Thanks a lot!

post #79 of 82
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Originally Posted by GustavoTheGaper View Post
 

Another question related to the same "boots fitting" subject (didn't wanna create a new topic just for this, but maybe someone can help me here).

 

I've found a nice pair of boots (Head Advant Edge 105) for a good price and they fit me quite well. The dimensions seem alright (for example, I tried the "shell fit" test and had about 2,5cm [1 inch] of space between my heel and the back of the boot, which is the recommendable space).

 

Then, making some effort, in the store, I managed to buckle the boots up completely (at which point they felt quite tight, but still ok).
Is that a bad sign? I mean, I know the boots tend to "open up" a bit after a few days of use, so if I already managed to buckle them all the way up on the first day, does that mean they're probably too big?

 

Moreover, do you think 105 is (in general) a good flex for an intermediate skier working to level up? (I'm 1,85m and 82kg / 6'1" and 181lbs, and like skiing kind of aggressively, though not insanely. Not sure if I should just get a higher flex already, which should keep me satisfied for longer)

 

Thanks a lot!

Something doesn't compute.  You say there's 1" gap behind your heel when doing a shell fit but also say you "managed" to buckle them with some effort.  And who recommends 1"?  I have fitted quite a few people into boots and our standard is 0.625" or 5/8".  We regard 3/4" as a comfort(sloppy) fit.  Who was it that determined there's a 1" gap?

post #80 of 82
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

Something doesn't compute.  You say there's 1" gap behind your heel when doing a shell fit but also say you "managed" to buckle them with some effort.  And who recommends 1"?  I have fitted quite a few people into boots and our standard is 0.625" or 5/8".  We regard 3/4" as a comfort(sloppy) fit.  Who was it that determined there's a 1" gap?


Maybe 1" was a bit generous, it was between 2cm and 2,5cm (4/5" - 1").

I measured it myself: I put a tube of mints behind my heel and they fit just fine between my heel and the shell. The tube's girth is 1,8cm, and there was a tiny bit of space left for the tube to move, so I guess it was like 2 - 2,5cm.

 

On this website below they say the gap should be up to 3cm. Quite sure I've seen a couple other websites saying something similar (can't find them now). Other websites indeed say up to 2cm or even 3/4". So I guess it's up for debate heheh.

http://www.evo.com/guides/how-to-try-on-ski-boots

 

I'll try it again tomorrow and see, but I'm afraid the fact that I've already managed to buckle them 100% may be a bad sign already...

post #81 of 82
I did a whole bunch of (expensive) experimentation within the Lange line. I discovered that 120 is my sweet spot, but I'm a fair but heavier than you. I also found 100mm was my optimum last width, but I can also use the LV models with early discomfort (the boot seems to adjust after a few days), except on warm days when my foot swells up and all bets are off. Ouch.

A long segue there - sorry.

The truth of it is though I can make anything from 100-130 work fine. As someone said above fit is more important than flex.
post #82 of 82
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Originally Posted by bmck3780 View Post

I did a whole bunch of (expensive) experimentation within the Lange line. I discovered that 120 is my sweet spot, but I'm a fair but heavier than you. I also found 100mm was my optimum last width, but I can also use the LV models with early discomfort (the boot seems to adjust after a few days), except on warm days when my foot swells up and all bets are off. Ouch.

A long segue there - sorry.

The truth of it is though I can make anything from 100-130 work fine. As someone said above fit is more important than flex.

 

Yeah, foot swelling is a no-go, especially for people who can't afford a "bunch of expensive experimentation", hehehe.


I've also found a Tecnica Mach 1 110MV for eur215 on sale, size 26 (1 size smaller than the Head I tried yesterday, slightly higher flex, a bit more expensive), it sounds like a good fit (pun intended), but they don't have it in my city. Maybe I'll just order it, and if it doesn't fit I'll return it...

 

Thanks!

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