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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I'm wondering, considering the location (but not knowing the public transportation available), if you'll need to get reservations? Just think how mobbed Hunter and Mountain Creek are, and you need a car and they have 100's of acres. Now let's jam rank beginners on the same hill as park riders. What is the metering system at places like this? Make everyone walk up? (Eliminates the unfit.)

 

The Meadowlands is accessible via bus and rail in addition to auto.

http://www.thebigm.com/content.aspx?id=10375

 

I cannot speak to your other points (which are good to know).

post #32 of 43
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That is some terrible Photoshop work. Look at that guy on the right in his own little ultra-white bubble. 

All the way up the slope, there's a row of overhead lights creating bright spots on the snow. Looks to me just like a kid who happens to be skiing through one of those bright spots.
post #33 of 43

We don't really have cities the size of New York. At all. Clostest cluster of cities is Cologne, Düsseldorf, Bonn, Dortmund - within an hours drive. But there are two German indoor slopes in that general area as well.

 

Four major groups of visitors: absolute beginners getting a feel for the snow or taking a few lessons; one time-visitors (birthday parties etc.), professional race teams (from all over Europe, especially in juli-september, when many glacier areas in the Alps are closed as well); and experienced skiers and snowboarders loooking to stay in ski shape (me).

 

As far as I know, there is no limitation of how many people they let in. It can be insanely crowded too, never experenced that myself though (plan well, check in advance for closure of pistes or big events).

 

Here you can see for yourself, they have a few live webcams: http://www.snowworld.com/en/Ski-slopes/Ski-Slopes/Webcams-SnowWorld

 

Zoetermeer is the shorter, steeper venue (run 3, now without snow for the expansion), Landgraaf is the longer slope, piste 1 being the FIS-rated one. 

post #34 of 43
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And how close are these to a city the size of New York?

 

The snow center in Hemel Hempstead (the second link in my post above) is 22 miles from the very center of London. But, the other indoor slope is just another 20 miles up the road, and there are some dry slopes closer to the city as well. So, although it can get crowded, it's not as bad as it would be if the slope in Hemel was the only one in the area.

post #35 of 43
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I grew up less than 20 miles from the Meadowlands, and remember when that whole area was a swampy breeding ground for the "Jersey State Bird" aka mosquitoes  LOL.

This project started 13 years ago, so pardon me if I'm more than a little skeptical of this project coming to fruition.  And as usual, NJ taxpayers will foot the bill if this fails...once again.  One of the reasons I moved out of the state.

 

Update: after posting earlier this morning, I did some checking, and apparently construction at the site was halted in April due to issues with a bond issue to raise more money.  Even the Mayor of Rutherford is expressing doubts about the project. They seem to make more noise of announcements about how many stores they have lined up than actual construction work.  To quote Yogi, it's like deja vu all over again.

 

When I see pigs in the area flight path, I'll go take another look  LOL


The press releases about SNOW Operating agreeing to be part of Big Snow America are from May 2016.  Having followed that company for a few years, I'm more inclined to think that the mega-mall will open in 2017.  As I mentioned before, the current developer has a track record of building, opening, and managing a couple other mega-malls in North America.  Not the same developer that wanted to call the place Xanadu.  Granted that NJ tax money is involved, but from the Triple Five's perspective this is not the same project that never got off the ground 13 years ago.  It's just the same location.  Not to say there aren't problems, but have to look at the situation starting around 2011, not 2003.

 

Interesting that the Mayor of Rutherford is having his own share of problems keeping the town running.  Apparently the job of Mayor is not a full time job and there isn't anyone in the position of Operations Manager at the moment.

post #36 of 43
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We don't really have cities the size of New York. At all. Clostest cluster of cities is Cologne, Düsseldorf, Bonn, Dortmund - within an hours drive. But there are two German indoor slopes in that general area as well.

 

Four major groups of visitors: absolute beginners getting a feel for the snow or taking a few lessons; one time-visitors (birthday parties etc.), professional race teams (from all over Europe, especially in juli-september, when many glacier areas in the Alps are closed as well); and experienced skiers and snowboarders loooking to stay in ski shape (me).

 

As far as I know, there is no limitation of how many people they let in. It can be insanely crowded too, never experenced that myself though (plan well, check in advance for closure of pistes or big events).

 

Here you can see for yourself, they have a few live webcams: http://www.snowworld.com/en/Ski-slopes/Ski-Slopes/Webcams-SnowWorld

 

Zoetermeer is the shorter, steeper venue (run 3, now without snow for the expansion), Landgraaf is the longer slope, piste 1 being the FIS-rated one. 


Thanks for the link.  Is Snow World more busy during the summer or during the fall when people are thinking about getting back on the slopes?

post #37 of 43

October-March is much busier. Especially on weekends. And more beginners too. I only go one day in November, beacuse I am a ski advisor at the main ski demo day (organized by the Benelux Reatil Association) - other than that, I dont go there until April. From November-April I ski in the Alps, as often as I can. 

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October-March is much busier. Especially on weekends. And more beginners too. I only go one day in November, beacuse I am a ski advisor at the main ski demo day (organized by the Benelux Reatil Association) - other than that, I dont go there until April. From November-April I ski in the Alps, as often as I can. 


I'm very intrigued.  What level skiers attend the November demo day?

 

There is a "dry slope" with Snowflex a couple hours from my house.  But it's never interested me enough to check it out, even during the summer.  But I'm more curious about indoor slopes with some form of snow.  Clearly more common in Europe.  Guess it goes together with the statistics that show a higher percentage of people in several European countries go skiing more than even the U.S. states in snow country.

post #39 of 43

The demo day draws advanced skiers, even some experts. For most people, this is the only demo opportunity in the season. In the Alps, changing rental skis cost extra and they mostly have only two brands or so, and every shop has about the same stuff. There are demo events in the Alps too, but for us Dutchies that only interesting if you make a long weekend out of it on the glacier (which I am happy to do).

 

So this indoor demo day draws mosly people hav never owned skis befor and never even thought of what kind of ski they want.

post #40 of 43
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The demo day draws advanced skiers, even some experts. For most people, this is the only demo opportunity in the season. In the Alps, changing rental skis cost extra and they mostly have only two brands or so, and every shop has about the same stuff. There are demo events in the Alps too, but for us Dutchies that only interesting if you make a long weekend out of it on the glacier (which I am happy to do).

 

So this indoor demo day draws mosly people hav never owned skis befor and never even thought of what kind of ski they want.

 

Aah, never knew that you can't change ski models without paying extra in the Alps.  I had heard that there isn't too much variety available.

 

Do most of the people who are not beginners at Snow World rent skis?  Guess I'm more curious about what happens Oct-Mar but it sounds like the better skiers who are more likely to own skis aren't around that much then.

 

Find it interesting that Snow World is open 365 days a year.  First time I've heard of allowing people to stop for lunch and that time does not count on their lift ticket.  Do you know how that works?

 

I'm used to tickets based on 4 or 8 hours in the southeast, which were started about 10 years ago.  Usually actually get an extra 30 min, mostly to allow for the rental process.

 

post #41 of 43
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The press releases about SNOW Operating agreeing to be part of Big Snow America are from May 2016.  Having followed that company for a few years, I'm more inclined to think that the mega-mall will open in 2017.  As I mentioned before, the current developer has a track record of building, opening, and managing a couple other mega-malls in North America.  Not the same developer that wanted to call the place Xanadu.  Granted that NJ tax money is involved, but from the Triple Five's perspective this is not the same project that never got off the ground 13 years ago.  It's just the same location.  Not to say there aren't problems, but have to look at the situation starting around 2011, not 2003.

 

Interesting that the Mayor of Rutherford is having his own share of problems keeping the town running.  Apparently the job of Mayor is not a full time job and there isn't anyone in the position of Operations Manager at the moment.

I guess we'll see.  I'm sure SNOW is a decent company, but it's just an agreement to be part of it, and they have no control over the project being completed. There are plenty of stores that have agreed as well, that doesn't mean they will ultimately be there. I would love to see this project completed, but since it's in my "back yard" it's starting to sound like the same song and dance all over again. Triple 5 does not have the wherewithal to complete this without more funding, and since they've already started to pull back on their construction timelines when if anything the work should be ramping up, they may have a hard time getting commitments to something that has failed multiple times.

But if they do finally get this thing built, I'll be there some July day with skis in hand  :D

post #42 of 43

The 2, 4 or 8 hours that you buy is the nett on snow time. When you enter the slopen, it's registered. If you go out for some lunch, it's registered again. So, you can spend an entire day on the slopes, from 9 AM till 10 PM if you take a few breaks (coffe, lunch, dinner) on a 8 hour ticket. If you go over, you pay a small amount for every 15 minutes you're over.

post #43 of 43
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Aah, never knew that you can't change ski models without paying extra in the Alps. I had heard that there isn't too much variety available.
I can't speak for "the Alps", only Chamonix and Verbier. Plenty of variety available. As much as US? Maybe not, but the cost is about half. Also, far more carvers available. Switching skis while demoing maybe works for 2 or 3 skis. You could do that in Verbier quite easily if you rent from Ski Service. They have a mid mountain spot at the top of the gondola from town. Makes it easy to switch. Otherwise, you have to go down and walk to the store. It's easy and doable, but takes probably 30-40 minutes.

I suppose if you want to do a dedicated demo day, you could try a bunch of skis if you set it up.
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