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post #61 of 73
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post

When they're flat on the snow and I'm just letting them run, my SL skis are very squirrely too. That's just not what you're supposed to do on them. Keep them on edge and make quick turns and they are very stable and powerfull. 

Duh! I'm just saying that skis that short are not for all bigger guys. I didn't enjoy the short 167 skis I demo'd at all. Just not enough there. I could get by on a 177 SL but I prefer a bit more.
post #62 of 73
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Duh! I'm just saying that skis that short are not for all bigger guys. I didn't enjoy the short 167 skis I demo'd at all. Just not enough there. I could get by on a 177 SL but I prefer a bit more.

Well, I will be willing to bet good $$ that Wingmaster will not like the SL skis at first either. Not until he adapts his technique to this decade, once he is there, he will probably start to really enjoy big boy skis again, but he won't get there until he adapts. If he buys something like a 187cm Brahma to start, he'll just think modern shape skis are boring and non responsive. They will allow him to steer the ski across the fall line and skid, but there will be no rebound, basically his old technique minus the substantial camber that makes it 'work'... if he first learns how to create edge angle early and use the sidecut of the ski to facilitate bending the ski, voila! He will get rebound, feel the sweet sensation of a ski slicing smoothly along one thin line in the snow and hunger to get that feeling over and over again. Tear down to rebuild. But you have to be willing to tear down first for this to work.

 

If that isn't what he wants, then just buy a GS ski and have it detuned... and be left wondering "why do people think this is better?"

post #63 of 73
Well that was really well put and makes sense. Makes me wonder if I don't need to pick up a shorter carver at the local swap next fall...
post #64 of 73
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

Well, I will be willing to bet good $$ that Wingmaster will not like the SL skis at first either. Not until he adapts his technique to this decade, once he is there, he will probably start to really enjoy big boy skis again, but he won't get there until he adapts. If he buys something like a 187cm Brahma to start, he'll just think modern shape skis are boring and non responsive. They will allow him to steer the ski across the fall line and skid, but there will be no rebound, basically his old technique minus the substantial camber that makes it 'work'... if he first learns how to create edge angle early and use the sidecut of the ski to facilitate bending the ski, voila! He will get rebound, feel the sweet sensation of a ski slicing smoothly along one thin line in the snow and hunger to get that feeling over and over again. Tear down to rebuild. But you have to be willing to tear down first for this to work.

 

If that isn't what he wants, then just buy a GS ski and have it detuned... and be left wondering "why do people think this is better?"

 

I'm just taking everyone's word that this is the case and this is the route that I'm going.  165 FIS SLs.  Just gotta find a decent pair for a decent price.  Can't afford to drop $1K on them. 

 

And BTW, I'll reconvene on this in the fall, but I'll betcha that I'll pick up on and adapt to the new technique/technology lickety split. 

 

I'm highly technical and engineering oriented, I'll know in my head from reading what's going on and have it all ironed out in two days on the slopes, mark my words. 

 

Not that I'll regret having taken this route mind you, just sayin' otherwise.  In my mind if one understands the technology/tools, then it's much easier to adapt and is done more quickly. 

post #65 of 73
Anyone familiar with the Look Spx 12,14 bindings? He's looking at a Dynastar Fis Slalom
For the OP, he's 6'2", 250, over 50, and a bsl of 356mm. Din would be only 6 or 7. But he's big. I suspect the Spx 12 is not suitable but is the 14 built like the 15 or the 12? The 15 starts at 8 Din so that's out for freeskiing.
post #66 of 73

The SPX is the 'new' PX binding, the non-Pivot high performance binding from Look. The 12 and 14 will both have the 'full drive' toe (full spectrum release), they are the same except DIN range, which is fine. I ski the Pivot 18 / FKS 180 and I can assure you the only thing the 'race toe' does better than the 'full drive' is impress the ladies awww yeah! You know what I'm talkin' 'bout, right?... but my bindings have never, not even once, got me noticed by the fairer sex. Your results may vary... but I doubt it. I miss the days of stretch pants, because with stretch pants, you... uhhh, yeah, that didn't work either. 

 

(little trade secret, what actually does work- be cool, friendly don't take yourself too seriously and be fun to ski/ ride with.)

 

((sorry, for the 'advice'- I guess I should have stuck to binding performance...))

post #67 of 73
So the spx 12 is fine for the OP's stats? The ladies would be a more difficult matter.
post #68 of 73

absolutely. His STATS!! His enormous boots might... yeah, still probably not gonna matter to the ladies. (but, they do drop the DIN setting down).

 

(OP, how big are your hands? I've got a great idea, find some jr pole grips to install on your ski poles, they'll make your hands look fricken' HUGE!... how did I never think of this before!!!)

post #69 of 73
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

absolutely. His STATS!! His enormous boots might... yeah, still probably not gonna matter to the ladies. (but, they do drop the DIN setting down).

(OP, how big are your hands? I've got a great idea, find some jr pole grips to install on your ski poles, they'll make your hands look fricken' HUGE!... how did I never think of this before!!!)
I guess that's a yes after filtering the sauce.
post #70 of 73

^^^ yeah, big boots = low DIN + his age drops him down as well, his chart setting is 6, an SPX12 would be totally fine.

post #71 of 73

OP, I'm late to the thread here but great advice already from Tog and Whiteroom.  Tog had also PM'd me about a couple of things but i didn't have time to get through the thread before.   

 

Definitely good approach to go the 165 FIS slalom.  WRT the oft expressed (and erroneous) concerns about them being too hard work, to a large extent that depends on how you ski them. You can ski  as hard as you want or more leisurely.  For example, when I am training in gates, I am pretty wiped out after 6 full bore runs.  But if I am free skiing I will typically make a bit bigger radius turn with less effort.  And while they can get squarely running flat they still run fast with a little bit of edge angle so dont worry about that.

 

I heard you had found a pair, if not only thing I have available at the moment is a new pair of Head RD 165 FIS slaloms.

post #72 of 73
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

The SPX is the 'new' PX binding, the non-Pivot high performance binding from Look. The 12 and 14 will both have the 'full drive' toe (full spectrum release), they are the same except DIN range, which is fine. I ski the Pivot 18 / FKS 180 and I can assure you the only thing the 'race toe' does better than the 'full drive' is impress the ladies awww yeah! You know what I'm talkin' 'bout, right?... but my bindings have never, not even once, got me noticed by the fairer sex. Your results may vary... but I doubt it. I miss the days of stretch pants, because with stretch pants, you... uhhh, yeah, that didn't work either. 

 

(little trade secret, what actually does work- be cool, friendly don't take yourself too seriously and be fun to ski/ ride with.)

 

((sorry, for the 'advice'- I guess I should have stuck to binding performance...))

 

LOL

post #73 of 73
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 

OP, I'm late to the thread here but great advice already from Tog and Whiteroom.  Tog had also PM'd me about a couple of things but i didn't have time to get through the thread before.   

 

Definitely good approach to go the 165 FIS slalom.  WRT the oft expressed (and erroneous) concerns about them being too hard work, to a large extent that depends on how you ski them. You can ski  as hard as you want or more leisurely.  For example, when I am training in gates, I am pretty wiped out after 6 full bore runs.  But if I am free skiing I will typically make a bit bigger radius turn with less effort.  And while they can get squarely running flat they still run fast with a little bit of edge angle so dont worry about that.

 

I heard you had found a pair, if not only thing I have available at the moment is a new pair of Head RD 165 FIS slaloms.

 

Thanks ScotsSkier!! 

 

I'll pm you with what I bought. 

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