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post #31 of 53

Are the wraps removable if you get tired of them or they start to look bad themselves? If so, and if they had been $65 (including application) when I bought skis last season, I'd have certainly taken a look and considered it. (I do like my current top sheets though.)

post #32 of 53
I remember seeing them in the back of some ski mags and in lift lines.

For me, I'd pay $25 (DIY) for a stock design, and maybe the $65 (including shipping) if I could go to a web site and design my own. But that's just me!
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by cbtbakkes View Post

I remember seeing them in the back of some ski mags and in lift lines.

For me, I'd pay $25 (DIY) for a stock design, and maybe the $65 (including shipping) if I could go to a web site and design my own. But that's just me!

 

I feel the same way about the pricing. After spending $700-$900 for a ski $150-$250 for a binding, coming up with another $65 for a graphics wrap is going to be a tough sell for a lot of people. For me to make the purchase it would have to be for a ski that i really love that has graphics that I really hate.

post #34 of 53
$65 is sort of okay if someone else is applying it. Not if I'm applying it and I get one try. Because I've seen how big a mess I make applying screen savers. No matter how thoroughly you dust then and redust them, there's always something that gets on it anyway because of static electricity or something. Can't imagine trying to keep six feet of ski pristine. I live with Siberian huskies, and can't even keep the pool table clean and they are not allowed on that floor.
post #35 of 53
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$65 is sort of okay if someone else is applying it. Not if I'm applying it and I get one try. Because I've seen how big a mess I make applying screen savers. No matter how thoroughly you dust then and redust them, there's always something that gets on it anyway because of static electricity or something. Can't imagine trying to keep six feet of ski pristine. I live with Siberian huskies, and can't even keep the pool table clean and they are not allowed on that floor.

 

They shoot pool when you are skiing.

post #36 of 53

Jrtknz:

 

Neat idea but personally, I ( been in and out of skiing for decades) could care less WHAT my skis look like.  Actually, the eye catching bright color schemes I have seen on some on todays skis make me gag.   If I made skis, and I don't, I would just paint the boards some subtle color and call it good.

post #37 of 53
Maybe if I had some really es expensive skis so nobody could tell and steal them! Hey, how about some for my poles? Those get stolen all the time!
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

$65 is sort of okay if someone else is applying it. Not if I'm applying it and I get one try. Because I've seen how big a mess I make applying screen savers. No matter how thoroughly you dust then and redust them, there's always something that gets on it anyway because of static electricity or something. Can't imagine trying to keep six feet of ski pristine. I live with Siberian huskies, and can't even keep the pool table clean and they are not allowed on that floor.

I feel your pain. I found a new home for my Pyrenees last Sept (that is another story, and I do miss him) and I'm still finding tufts of white fur when cleaning neglected corners of the house.

And I will screw up applying anything to anything.

I agree with DanoT, after paying for skis and bindings, I'm not sure that most shoppers will want to spend any amount extra for top sheet covers.

Maybe a shop could get some business applying them as an add-on option when someone gets their skis tuned. But then the top sheet is costing as much or more than the wax and tune, for which the general skiing population seems aversive to paying in the first place.

And rather than pay for frequent waxing and tunes a lot of "active addiction" skiers do it themselves. So if you can price a DIY top sheet that isn't easy to mess up, maybe, but I still don't see it happening. I just don't hear people saying, "My skis are dialed and perfectly tuned and skiing great. If only I could add a new top sheet my life would be complete."
Edited by DesiredUsername - 4/26/16 at 1:26pm
post #39 of 53
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Maybe if I had some really es expensive skis so nobody could tell and steal them! Hey, how about some for my poles? Those get stolen all the time!
If you paid for super expensive skis, wouldn't you want show them off?

Actually, that might be the niche market for this proposed product: Stockli and Kastle top sheet covers that fit on other skis.
post #40 of 53
Now that's a good idea...but then they'll get stolen!
post #41 of 53
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Now that's a good idea...but then they'll get stolen!

 

No, Kastle and Stockli customers are the ones with the money so you want to sell them the fake damaged wrap to go on top of the skis so they will look damaged and worn out and no one would want to steal them.

post #42 of 53
Ah, the old super expensive but worn out ski trick!
post #43 of 53
Thread Starter 

@dbostedo Yes, the wraps can be removed and/or replaced whenever you want. We will be posting a "how to" video soon, but it is a generally simple process - especially since you aren't try to preserve the wrap at that point. 

 

@cbtbakkes Unfortunately, that price point would be impossible for us to hit. We make the $65 price point possible by printing in volume - a one off of this material would actually cost somewhere around $70 to make. Though we do offer the make it yourself option you mentioned, for just $5 more than what you said you would pay ;)

 

@DanoT Thats funny, I would actually think the opposite. If someone is spending $1000+ on skis and bindings, what difference is the cost of the wrap to them? 

 

@sibhusky If having ski shops apply these for people is a possibility then I will certainly make it happen - but they will most likely charge for applying it in addition to the $65. They really aren't difficult to apply, and are much harder to mess up than you make it seem. Its not like a screen saver where you are trying to line everything up perfectly, or in that a spec of dust ruins the whole thing. I understand some people not wanting to go through the trouble of applying, but just want it to be known that its incredibly easy to do. Maybe I will put a video of a kid applying it or something on my site to show that.

 

@DesiredUsername It may be the case that someone wants to show off their expensive skis...but in the same scenario someone might prefer the performance of the expensive skis while showing off the awesome custom design they made for their skis. Its the difference between having something other people have, and having something completely unique. 

post #44 of 53
"Something completely unique"? But you have to run off the design "in volume". Therefore, NOT unique.
post #45 of 53
Thread Starter 

@sibhusky The volume I'm referring to isn't saying that I am running off one design in volume, but that I am always printing multiple orders in order to efficiently use the vinyl and not waste material, which is still a part of my cost or any printers cost. I think it is safe to say that someone with X skis and Y wrap on them is a bit more unique than the other 30 people on the mountain with X skis. If someone wants a completely unique wrap, it is also something we offer. 

post #46 of 53

I can see this selling for installation on ugly new skis before binding mount, but not at $65.

If you can't lower production cost to perhaps the suggested $25 the concept may just be too far ahead of what's practical.

post #47 of 53
When I think back over forty years of skiing, there was only one pair of skis I would have used this on. I got the skis for free, so would have been eager to cover the "bullet holes in metal graphic" with Nebula, and given the price of the skis, I'd have paid the $65. But I've probably owned fifteen or more pairs of skis, so really how often are the graphics that bad? Maybe we should have a vote for ugliest skis to go along with this thread. Because none of those designs is so great I'd do it for the design itself. So I'd have to do it for the ugliness cover-up. I'm not nuts about either of my current skis, but the covers are not an improvement, either. The skis are tolerable. If I bought women's skis, though, there have been many I would cover up!

Take a look at Skilogic for ideas, I love the look of all their skis. A lot of your designs remind me of pantry paper.
Edited by sibhusky - 4/27/16 at 2:03am
post #48 of 53
Thread Starter 

@sibhusky You don't want the product and thats fine, its not for everyone. Someone that has been skiing for over 40 years isn't in my target age demographic, and someone that has owned fifteen pairs of skis and was fine with the graphics isn't interested in making their skis look cool "just because". I've been working on some new designs that I'm getting ready to put up on the site soon which are hopefully more compelling...A few of the designs have the same wood grain look as the Skilogic ones that you linked me to, so I think those will be popular. It takes a while to put everything together, and putting the site up was really the first step to get things moving...so now that its up I have time to work on more designs (hence coming to a forum and asking what type of designs people prefer).

 

@jimintokyo Thanks for the feedback! Getting my costs that low would unfortunately mean lower standards for the actual products durability, which isn't something that I want to skimp on. Hopefully in the future I'll be able to get the price down a little by having more sales, but for now I am getting sales at $65, and I don't think it is a bad price for my target market.

post #49 of 53

I hope it works out for you. It's certainly an interesting niche idea.

post #50 of 53

No French fry skin? Meh.

post #51 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post
 

No French fry skin? Meh.

If you want it you can make it! Actually, if you want it email me at hello@norkasports.com, and I'll create it as a stock design just for you.

post #52 of 53
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No French fry skin? Meh.
Maybe pizza top sheets for beginners and French fry's for intermediates?
post #53 of 53
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Maybe pizza top sheets for beginners and French fry's for intermediates?

We've got the pizza here! French fries is a funny idea to add though

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