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Grand Targhee replacing Blackfoot double with a quad for 2016-17

post #1 of 29
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It's happening!  The Blackfoot double from 1974 at Grand Targhee is being replaced by a quad this summer.

 

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/04/13/grand-targhee-replacing-blackfoot-lift/

 

As rumored for weeks, Grand Targhee confirmed yesterday on Facebook it will replace the aging Blackfoot double chair with a fixed-grip quad over the summer.  The Doppelmayr-built lift will increase capacity by 40 percent and run in an improved alignment, although it will be slightly slower than the old lift.  Targhee’s Director of Marketing said in a release, “The entire resort team is excited to replace and upgrade the Blackfoot chairlift.  The resort ownership is committed to reinvesting in the resort with ongoing improvements that enhance the guest experience. This is the largest and most visible of many recent capital investments.”

 

 

http://www.grandtarghee.com/grand-targhee-resort-replace-blackfoot-chairlift/

 

Moving forward, Blackfoot will be replaced by a Doppelmayr fixed grip quad with comfort bar and foot rests that can haul 1,800 guests per hour. The total ride time will decrease to 7 minutes.

post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

It's happening!  The Blackfoot double from 1974 at Grand Targhee is being replaced by a quad this summer.

 

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/04/13/grand-targhee-replacing-blackfoot-lift/

 

As rumored for weeks, Grand Targhee confirmed yesterday on Facebook it will replace the aging Blackfoot double chair with a fixed-grip quad over the summer.  The Doppelmayr-built lift will increase capacity by 40 percent and run in an improved alignment, although it will be slightly slower than the old lift.  Targhee’s Director of Marketing said in a release, “The entire resort team is excited to replace and upgrade the Blackfoot chairlift.  The resort ownership is committed to reinvesting in the resort with ongoing improvements that enhance the guest experience. This is the largest and most visible of many recent capital investments.”

 

 

http://www.grandtarghee.com/grand-targhee-resort-replace-blackfoot-chairlift/

 

Moving forward, Blackfoot will be replaced by a Doppelmayr fixed grip quad with comfort bar and foot rests that can haul 1,800 guests per hour. The total ride time will decrease to 7 minutes.

 

So the ride time decreases, the size of each chair doubles, and they only get 40 percent more capacity?

 

I guess they have to run much bigger gaps between the chairs...

post #3 of 29
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So the ride time decreases, the size of each chair doubles, and they only get 40 percent more capacity?

 

I guess they have to run much bigger gaps between the chairs...

Hmm, can you tell from these pics?  From Jan 2014 when there was no new snow at JH so Bill, Jason, and I drove over to GT for the day.  Jason hadn't been to GT before.  Views were great.

 

 

 

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I had no idea what they were doing at Jackson Hole...that could be a significant improvement to their overall resort as JH just has nothing in the way for beginners and tentative intermediates.  I wonder if this "dedicated learning area" is going to add a little more interesting terrain than what has been serviced by the Teewinot chair.

 

As for the Blackfoot lift, those wooden ramps were definitely a throwback and one of the things that I enjoyed about GT.

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I had no idea what they were doing at Jackson Hole...that could be a significant improvement to their overall resort as JH just has nothing in the way for beginners and tentative intermediates.  I wonder if this "dedicated learning area" is going to add a little more interesting terrain than what has been serviced by the Teewinot chair.

 

As for the Blackfoot lift, those wooden ramps were definitely a throwback and one of the things that I enjoyed about GT.


Yeah, on the one hand old lifts give a place character.  But on the other hand, an old double is s l o w compared to a more modern quad.

 

Here is the thread about the JH lift work happening in 2016:

http://www.epicski.com/t/146726/jackson-hole-to-add-second-gondola-by-2016-17-to-help-beginners-intermediates-move-from-the-base

post #7 of 29
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The Blackfoot double chairs were sold on June 18 for $500 each, first-come, first-served.  Buyers had to take the chair(s) that day.

 

post #8 of 29
Fixed grip quad eh? Not sure I've ever been on one.
The release said the lift is slightly slower yet ride time is less. So it's shorter?
post #9 of 29
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Fixed grip quad eh? Not sure I've ever been on one.
The release said the lift is slightly slower yet ride time is less. So it's shorter?


Hmm, the comment in the Liftblog entry doesn't match up with what Grand Targhee has on their website.

 

"The old Blackfoot chair, manufactured by Riblet, was built in 1974 and had a 960 passenger per hour uphill capacity. The total ride time was about 12 minutes. Moving forward, Blackfoot will be replaced by a Doppelmayr fixed grip quad with comfort bar and foot rests that can haul 1,800 guests per hour. The total ride time will decrease to 7 minutes. In the event of a power outage the new lift will be able to run off of diesel power."

http://www.grandtarghee.com/grand-targhee-resort-replace-blackfoot-chairlift/

 

Here are the fixed grip quads in the northeast as of 2015.

http://www.newenglandskihistory.com/lifts/listbycost.php

post #10 of 29
^^I'm amazed that Quechee has a quad. That place is tiny.
post #11 of 29
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^^I'm amazed that Quechee has a quad. That place is tiny.


Quechee may not have that much terrain, but the Club includes two golf courses.  Reading about the history makes me think of Yellowstone more than Hickory.

post #12 of 29
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I checked with Peter of Liftblog about the speed stats for Blackfoot.  He said it's not uncommon for marketing blurbs to be wrong in terms of how fast a lift runs.  Apparently some old doubles were pretty fast compared to fixed-grip quad lifts.  Since Peter lives in JH, hopefully there will be more pictures as the Blackfoot lift construction proceeds.

post #13 of 29

I've never been a fan of doubles with the support bar in the middle.  I fear for my coccyx.  I might wander over there next month during the Music Fest to see what's happening.

post #14 of 29
I like the pole in the middle. Something to hang on. They are disappearing rapidly. Loading a fixed grip quad might be a challenge.
post #15 of 29
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I like the pole in the middle. Something to hang on. They are disappearing rapidly. Loading a fixed grip quad might be a challenge.

Why?  It's not as if the Blackfoot lift is going to have any beginners or cautious intermediates on it.

post #16 of 29
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^^I'm amazed that Quechee has a quad. That place is tiny.


Quechee may not have that much terrain, but the Club includes two golf courses.  Reading about the history makes me think of Yellowstone more than Hickory.

Nothing like Yellowstone. Seriously, it's miniscule. There's also hot air balloons around there, and Simon Pierce and two covered bridges - one wiped out and the other damaged by Irene but now rebuilt.

 

Fixed quad issue - because of the swinging chair as it comes around. Plenty of lifties have trouble with the triple now you add another two feet. But perhaps the newer ones are better.

post #17 of 29
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^^I'm amazed that Quechee has a quad. That place is tiny.


Quechee may not have that much terrain, but the Club includes two golf courses.  Reading about the history makes me think of Yellowstone more than Hickory.

Nothing like Yellowstone. Seriously, it's miniscule. There's also hot air balloons around there, and Simon Pierce and two covered bridges - one wiped out and the other damaged by Irene but now rebuilt.

 

Fixed quad issue - because of the swinging chair as it comes around. Plenty of lifties have trouble with the triple now you add another two feet. But perhaps the newer ones are better.


Wasn't thinking about the size of Quechee, more the type of amenities that members who can support two golf courses expect.  Meaning that the members are more likely to be the type to pony up the money for a better lift than is needed for short slopes.  In contrast, Hickory in NY barely has a lodge, no chairlift, only a couple of fast poma lifts.  But Hickory keeps going with community support.

 

Since I've been skiing at Massanutten (northern VA) with two fixed quads for a decade, I know what you mean if the lifties aren't paying attention.  Pretty sure the lifts are over 25 years old.  They added conveyor loading for the beginner quad several years ago, which helped a lot.  But for the quad to the summit that only has a couple black trails, loading is not a problem for the adventurous intermediates and advanced skiers.  Of course, Massanutten always has two lifties working that lift, one on each side where you load.

post #18 of 29

Conveyor loading has been pretty bad for us. It always was breaking. Newbies were fine getting on. Others freak out and don't know what to do. After like 5 years they're kind of catching on but it really didn't speed things up and seems to require more man power.

Verbier in Switzerland uses conveyors to move you to a fixed spot then you get on. That seemed somewhat pointless but I suppose it gets you to the spot they want you at to load.

post #19 of 29
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Conveyor loading has been pretty bad for us. It always was breaking. Newbies were fine getting on. Others freak out and don't know what to do. After like 5 years they're kind of catching on but it really didn't speed things up and seems to require more man power.

Verbier in Switzerland uses conveyors to move you to a fixed spot then you get on. That seemed somewhat pointless but I suppose it gets you to the spot they want you at to load.


Oddly enough, I'd not sure what region you normally ski in.  The advanced/experts took quite a while to learn how to deal with the Supreme conveyor the first season.  The lifties weren't exactly trying to explain the process all the time.  At Massanutten, most of the folks are beginners or intermediates so they really like conveyor loading.  The long beginner lift still stops but not nearly as often because of loading problems.

 

Turns out that the company that has installed most of the U.S. conveyor loading units has over 400 installations in Europe.  Only about 30 in the U.S., including Supreme at Alta, the two added at Vail in 2013 and 2014, and two added at Breck in 2014.  Massanutten uses ChairKit too.

post #20 of 29
Sale is this Saturday.

100 of the chairs are for sale.

Towers have been brought down and cut up for scrap. Old bottom and top stations are gone. The new lift line will go in about 30 yards to the south (looker's right).

GTR opens up tomorrow for the 2016 Summer season. Still lots of snow up on the Headwall and into CJB and over in 4th of July Bowl/Mary's Nipple. About 2/3rds of the MTB trails will be open at 1000.

HB
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The Blackfoot double chairs were sold on June 18 for $500 each, first-come, first-served.  Buyers had to take the chair(s) that day.


post #21 of 29
Chairs sold out yesterday.

HB
post #22 of 29
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Chairs sold out yesterday.

HB


Was there one saved to put up somewhere around the GT base?  There is an old chair in the Wildcat parking lot at Alta.

post #23 of 29
One's going in the Trap.

HB
post #24 of 29

Just got back from Targhee Music Festival.  I didn't see the Blackfoot base, but the chairlift is completely gone.  According to Mark from the ski school, Dopplemayr was going to be there on July 18 to start working on the new lift.

 

Great festival, and the RV parking area was reasonably quiet at night this year (unlike other years).  I got lucky and went back home via Alpine/Afton/Kemmerer.  I was unaware that the Hoback Canyon was closed due to a forest fire.  That's the way I usually go.

post #25 of 29
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Pics from mid-August as construction was starting.  Sounds like towers won't go in for another month or so.

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/08/16/grand-targhee-begins-construction-of-blackfoot-quad

post #26 of 29
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Work continues on the new Blackfoot lift even as the snow starts.  Apparently all the towers are ready for installation when the weather cooperates.

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/10/02/fall-blackfoot-construction-update-from-grand-targhee/

 

The trail map on the website was updated to highlight the new quad.

 

post #27 of 29

Grand Targhee is currently reporting a 24" base and does not open until November 18th.  I wonder if there are any concerns that the new lift won't be ready to go by then.

post #28 of 29
Blackfoot lift usually doesn't open until at least a week after the resort opens.

All depends on snow conditions and number of riders.

HB
post #29 of 29
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There was snow in late Nov as construction continued on the Blackfoot lift.  Peter drove over from JH and posted pics on Nov. 20.

 

https://liftblog.com/2016/11/20/checking-out-grand-targhees-new-blackfoot-quad/

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