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Looking for smooth, easy to ski freeride ski

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I am looking for suggestions on a freeride ski. 

 

I'm 1.82 m and 87 kg, level 7 skier

I ski only in Europe, I will use this ski in places like Espace Killy, 3 Valleys, Monterosa etc. 

My daily driver is a 2016 Fischer Motive 86 TI, which I love in all conditions, except on snowy days when snow is more than 10 inches deep. 

I still have 2014 Atomic Automatics 117, but I don't like them (bought them without demoing - stupid). What I don't like about them: they keep launching me off every single snowflake. And I like my skis to stay on/in the snow. They simply have too much rebound for my taste (I'm a very lazy skier). Also, they seem too wide for the shallow powder we have had (not a powder hunter, so I just ski it when it's in the same place I am).

 

So I guess I am looking for a soft, smooth ski of 105-110 mm waist with enough tip and tail rocker that makes smearing easy. I skied the Soul 7 and I really didn't like it. I found there was no consistent flex: the flappy yellow tips and than the carbonny stiffish-sketchy non stability thing going on there. I'd rather have a heavier ski (don't plan on bootpacking or touring really) that is smooth and compliant than something lightweight, which seems to be in fashion right now. If there is something lightweight and smooth and compliant, that's fine. Weight is not important to me, the other properties are.

 

So anything I should definately demo? I won't be doing that untill November, but since you guys are still skiing and demoing 2017 gear, I thought I should just ask. I should add: many custom build skis that you guys have in the US are not available here.

post #2 of 19

I saw in a previous post you were also inquiring on the Salomon QST 106 with their carbon/flax layup.

 

What about SR107 -> here are some comments over at Pugski:

http://forum.pugski.com/threads/long-term-review-stockli-stormrider-107.1097/

 

I had BMX105-HP 181 this season for couple trips, but it might be too charger-ish.

I would have loved to try it in non-HP but no opportunity to do so ..... thinking the non-HP will be a little quicker to maneuver, and a bit softer flex.

 

I also had DPS Wailer 106 Foundation 185  -> I really liked that ski -> excellent on groomers, very quick turning, and plenty of float in a foot of Austrian powder ( me @ 175 lbs ).    There are very positive comments on the 106F over at Pugski as well.  My friend bought mine from me as I am now on to exploring a couple 95 skis ( SR95 & FX95-HP )

 

Also, as mentioned in your other thread and considering you are in Europe,  read up on the Black Crows lineup, specifically the Corvus (109) or Atris (108).  There are some comments over at TGR forums, and I'm sure more at Euro ski sites.  Sport Conrad in Germany has the Corvus on sale for really cheap.  We have been to Zermatt 2 times and saw quite a few Corvus under the feet of the "freeride guys"

... and who doesn't like pink skis :D

 

And part of me still wants to try the latest Line SFB which his now 104 wide and a bit stiffer than the previous 108 iterations of the SFB.

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2015-2016-line-sir-francis-bacon-2

 

~ Andy


Edited by ARL67 - 4/19/16 at 4:29pm
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks. I have been looking at the Black Crows Atris and the 'old' (108 mm) Line SFB. They're both on my list to demo. A friend has the SFB, but for the Black Crows I'll have to go to France to demo. Not a problem per se, but demo opportunities only present itself early season, and then a 12 hour drive for two or three runs is a bit of a hassle (as opposed to three days of testing in better conditions much closer in Austria).

 

So, my list so far:

 

Black Crows Atris (liked the Black Crows feel, skied the narrowes all-mountain ski, the Orb last year)

Line SFB (preferaby the older, wider, softer version)

 

Have been reading up on those skis... Every ~108 mm ski requires power, high speeds etc. (the reviews say) OR is a lightweight carbon rattling thing. 


Edited by Cheizz - 4/20/16 at 1:51am
post #4 of 19

Rocky Mountain Underground Apostle or North Shore https://www.rockymountainunderground.com . They have dealers in Europe. I have the 2017 apostle and they are light but have full sidewall construction (as opposed to the Soul 7 sidewall and cap) so it has a really nice smooth flex and torsional stiffness.

post #5 of 19
Hi

This last season for mixed soft conditions I liked the soul 7, despite the semi panic attacks that happened when using it on hard pistes,as you never know when it will stop gripping like it was saying "nah, I'm done here, take me back to the slush"

Then I've used the Kastle FX95 non HP and for me it was a killer, because it was also performing in harder conditions. So if you are going 100+ maybe the BMX, but I'd try the non HP too (I'm 183, seven quilos lighter)

Both in lazy conditions, meaning going slow and not really big-mountainish.

It was recommended to me the Soul Rider, but seems not an European thing,I haven't found them here...

Also maybe take a look at the classics softer skis like the Lines. But I don't know about the twin tips, had very limited experience with them.
post #6 of 19

Fischer Ranger 106 are the 1rst ones that comes to mind... 

Kastle West 110 

Nordica El Capo

 

All 3 are like tanks on your feet! The Kastle are the most versatile, the El Capo are the most fun in the bumps and the Ranger are the best in crud, crusing at high speed, big fat gs skis...

 

Skis I sied less but liked:

 

K2 Pinnacle 105: very light, even more versatile than the soul 7 but curious how they would behave in heavier snow and crud...

post #7 of 19
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This last season for mixed soft conditions I liked the soul 7, despite the semi panic attacks that happened when using it on hard pistes,as you never know when it will stop gripping like it was saying "nah, I'm done here, take me back to the slush"
 

 

Ice - I feel the same way about my Sin 7's. If there was ever ONE line that describes using them on hard pack, thats it! I had them come right out from under me - my buddy said it looked like I was sliding into home plate - haha!

 

LOVE them in the soft stuff though.

post #8 of 19

Zag H112 188cm

post #9 of 19

Cheizz: 

If in Austria, Sport-Jennwein in St. Anton ( Galzig lift at the bottom, and Galzig lift at the top ) has Black Crows Atris to demo, along with lots of Kastle & Stockli.

You can rent one, then swap it out later in the day for another model for no additional fee.

http://www.sport-jennewein.com/skirental.html   ( click Galzig location )

 

And if you get the chance, also try the V-Werks Katana -> it is very smooth even flex, great on groomers, still plenty damp -> nothing like the all-carbon DPS.

post #10 of 19
I have reservations with the Katana. In pristine endless powder fields it is a dream.

The "issue" for me is that it doesn't really like to go slow, it can be too big mountain at times. The high radius and grip makes it accelerate like a rocket if you hit hard snow, and this can be a problem. It can make you work hard when you need short turns and yes I know that it's not made for that but sometimes you need it. It requires attention to handle in some all mountain situations, which makes it the big mountain powder ski it is.

That's the trade-off and for lazyness I'd remove some points from the Katana
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the tips and suggestions so far.

 

I had the same reservations with the Katana. Haven't skied it, but i recognise your poit from all the reading that I have done. 

post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 

I am also looking at the 2015 Fischer Ranger 106 TI. I owned the Ranger 88 ti from that year and loved it in the soft (a fairly narrow ski of course, for powder, but still...). Is the 106 the same in feel as the 88? I real all kinds of stuff about them being great on grooomers, but lacking real float in powder. Also, they have a fairly flat and square tail. Not ideal if jou want hook-free smeary and lazy turns, right?

 

Point is: I will not be able to demo these, so I'll have to choose or eliminate them based on your experience and reviews.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I am also looking at the 2015 Fischer Ranger 106 TI. I owned the Ranger 88 ti from that year and loved it in the soft (a fairly narrow ski of course, for powder, but still...). Is the 106 the same in feel as the 88? I real all kinds of stuff about them being great on grooomers, but lacking real float in powder. Also, they have a fairly flat and square tail. Not ideal if jou want hook-free smeary and lazy turns, right?

 

Point is: I will not be able to demo these, so I'll have to choose or eliminate them based on your experience and reviews.

Float: Excellent for a 106 mm!

Groomers: yes, excellent! I didn't tried the 88 but tried the 96 (or around) and didn't really liked them but it was on icy hardpack so not really where they are meant to be and they were too short for me so... The 106 are like fat GS skis on groomers on fresh snow , tanks in crud and spring conditions, still nice in bumps and trees when covered with fresh snow but they are not meant for really thight trees... It is the only reason I'm selling mine...

They still behave nicely on hardpack and keep control when you hit icy patchs...

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I am looking for suggestions on a freeride ski. 

 

I'm 1.82 m and 87 kg, level 7 skier

 

My daily driver is a 2016 Fischer Motive 86 TI, which I love in all conditions, except on snowy days when snow is more than 10 inches deep. 

I still have 2014 Atomic Automatics 117, but I don't like them (bought them without demoing - stupid). What I don't like about them: they keep launching me off every single snowflake. And I like my skis to stay on/in the snow. They simply have too much rebound for my taste (I'm a very lazy skier). Also, they seem too wide for the shallow powder we have had (not a powder hunter, so I just ski it when it's in the same place I am).

 

So I guess I am looking for a soft, smooth ski of 105-110 mm waist with enough tip and tail rocker that makes smearing easy.

 

So anything I should definately demo? I won't be doing that untill November, but since you guys are still skiing and demoing 2017 gear, I thought I should just ask. I should add: many custom build skis that you guys have in the US are not available here.

Similar to yourself, I use an 88 waist ski as my daily driver between storms.  Bought Atomic Vantage 100's as my mid ski (was using 108 Vagabonds) and freaking love them.  For where I ski (Mammoth Lakes CA) they could almost be my DD, they ski piste that well and are just a blast in less than 10 inches of fresh snow.  For deeper conditions, I still love my 117 Automatics.  That is my 3 ski quiver for next season.  O and of course my rock skis.  Give the Vantage a try.  It is a great ski.

post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 

I did ski a recent Vantage, the 90 CTI in soft bumps with ice patches underneath and in crud. And didn't like it at all. Much like the Sin7 and Soul 7 were described above (and experienced by myself), inconsistent, sketchy, unstable, no dampening it appeared... really not my thing.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I did ski a recent Vantage, the 90 CTI in soft bumps with ice patches underneath and in crud. And didn't like it at all. Much like the Sin7 and Soul 7 were described above (and experienced by myself), inconsistent, sketchy, unstable, no dampening it appeared... really not my thing.

Same here... I think it is because of the sidewall that is enough underfoot but very thin at both end ( more than in other brands). So it skis more like a cap-sidewall-cap ski... The only place I liked it was in trees: very easy steering

post #17 of 19

Black Crows Atris, Head Cyclic 105, Line SFB. 

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Black Crows Atris, Head Cyclic 105, Line SFB. 

That was my list, so far. Thanks for the confirmation.

post #19 of 19

The Cyclic is 115 (great powder and crud ski, BTW).  The Collective is 105.

 

Fischer Ranger, whether the older 106 or the current 108, seems like a good bet as well.   

 

I also really liked the Salomon QST 99, would be willing to bet the 106 would be similar.  Light, quick, but still stable enough to not be ratting in the variable crud.  

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