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Used Bindings vs All New?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi all, my inaugural post! Have been lurking for a while, might as well join the discussion.

 

I just picked up a pair of '16 Rossi Experience 88's on clearance and am piecing together some bindings. That being said, here are my options so far (all in Loonies):

 

Quote:

1) Look/Rossi SPX12/Axial3 Dual WTR - $170

2) Tyrolia Attack 13 - $100

3) Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC - $180

4) Look/Rossi Pivot 12/FKS 120 - $200

5) Salomon STH2 WTR 13 - $200

6) *Used* Look Pivot 14's - $130

7) *Used* Rossi FKS 120 - $50 (part of a Rossi 9S ski bundle, hoping to get at least $50 for the skis and race plates)

 

The accepted response on the internet is that any of the above bindings are fine (some however prefer Pivots because steeze), personally I want to spend as little as possible, hence the title of this thread. Any inherent issues with getting used bindings, specifically Pivot's/FKS'? I'm a 8.5-9 DIN, 208lbs, 6'1" intermediate-advanced skier. I also got rid of my previous setup which consisted of delaminated Bluehouse twintips with bindings and incorrectly fitted boots, so I am open to whether or not I should stick with alpine boots or venture into AT/WTR territory (NOT full on touring, I rarely go out West) - that would really dictate the binding.

 

With that said, half the bindings on my list are WTR compatible, the other half solely alpine. Should I be looking to get a somewhat future proofed binding? Also, I realize Rossi extends their warranty by a year if Look/Rossi bindings are installed - I was thinking of installing inserts in the Pivot pattern and mounting on an adapter plate to stick another manufacturer's bindings on.

 

Thanks!

 

Brendan

post #2 of 15

If the warranty extension is important for you - go for the Look/Rossis. Otherwise, get the cheapest. I love Tyrolia Attacks - they're great, super easy to get on and off, and easy to put on in soft snow (if that's important for you).

post #3 of 15
Looking at the options, I would say new Tyrolia Attack. It is an excellent binding and Rossignol is usually really easy to deal with for warranty, I wouldn't sweat the extension, personally. I also wouldn't worry too much about WTR if you currently have a good pair of boots. If not, let me clue you in on something' WTR is stupid. They don't 'tour' and they ski worse.
post #4 of 15

I think you may be over-thinking the situation.

 

What's wrong with the bindings on your Bluehouse skis?  Since they have delammed, I'm guessing that you will be retiring them. 

But get proper fitting boots first.  And that doesn't mean going to Sportchek.  Go to a proper ski shop, and see a proper fitter.  Spend your money there.

 

As for the bindings on your list, I would get the FKS 120s, as long as they're in good condition(selling the bindings and plates will be a stretch, I usually buy old race sticks every season and throw away the skis/plates).

 

If you decide to buy new, and a year of warranty is worth $100, get the FKS 120s.  If it's not, get the Aaaaaaaatack.

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post
 

I think you may be over-thinking the situation.

 

What's wrong with the bindings on your Bluehouse skis?  Since they have delammed, I'm guessing that you will be retiring them. 

But get proper fitting boots first.  And that doesn't mean going to Sportchek.  Go to a proper ski shop, and see a proper fitter.  Spend your money there.

 

As for the bindings on your list, I would get the FKS 120s, as long as they're in good condition(selling the bindings and plates will be a stretch, I usually buy old race sticks every season and throw away the skis/plates).

 

If you decide to buy new, and a year of warranty is worth $100, get the FKS 120s.  If it's not, get the Aaaaaaaatack.

 

Sold them along with the skies, didn't want to deal with the warranty. Yeah, I have a couple bootfitters nearby, Thought I'd either wait till the start of the 16/17 season to buy (boots) since there are some new stuff coming out (inevitably). That and also I doubt i'd be getting the full selection of any store now since models would have inadvertently be sold out.

 

Got some pics back from the seller re: the FKS:

 

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Not the greatest, also on a watch list for a set of Pivot 18's on feeBay.

 

Brendan

post #6 of 15

Brendan,

Personally, I have no problem with used bindings if they are a proven model in good shape, however, one important factor is getting a binding that has brakes wide enough for your E88's.  The Rossi 9S  is more of a pseudo race ski with a <72 waist, hence the brake on that binding would be too narrow.  I am not familiar with the Rossi/Look heel enough to know if brakes are interchangeable, but buying wider brakes would still add to the cost.  If any of the new bindings come with brake options that fit your 88mm waist, I would suggest going that direction.  I hope this helps.

Hawk

post #7 of 15

I'm going to make a recommendation here, consider the PX15's or the Pivot 18 in any Brand.

 

Metal toe and still puts you in the DIN range.

 

Deals can be had.

post #8 of 15

Go see a bootfitter now.  They may have boots that would work for you.  Boot technology won't change enough to make it worth waiting.  But remember, boot salesperson =/= boot fitter.  And I also would not trust any big-box stores either.

 

Back to bindings, I have no issues using old bindings.  Some of my bindings are 20 years old. 

Make sure you take into consideration brake widths.  Some brakes bend easily, others don't.  Some are easier and cheaper to change, others aren't.  FKS brakes don't like to bend, are expensive, and hard to find replacements for.

 

If you can find a PX15 with a 85 or 95mm brake, that would be a good fit for you.  Otherwise get an Aaaaaaaaaaaaaatack with a similar width brake.

post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post
 

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As for the bindings on your list, I would get the FKS 120s, as long as they're in good condition(selling the bindings and plates will be a stretch, I usually buy old race sticks every season and throw away the skis/plates).

 

If you decide to buy new, and a year of warranty is worth $100, get the FKS 120s.  If it's not, get the Aaaaaaaatack.

 

This!  That is basically an 8-10 year old ski and if someone bought it they would then need to go out and try to find a pair of FKS to make them useable.  value/chance of selling= slightly greater than zero.

 

And with regard to extending the warranty, I am not sure but I suspect that may only apply with a new Rossi binding, not a used, vintage one.  

post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks all for the replies! I'm going to take a look at the bindings tonight. I was actually just looking to sell the skies and plates (but keep the bindings haha). But checking back on the waist of the 9S, seems like the brakes are most likely 70mm, which means bending around 1cm per side. Should be doable-ish (tools aren't an issue), but I might as well buy new bindings if I have to buy new brakes. Food for thought.

post #11 of 15
Go new don't screw around. Before anyone flames, my oldest bindings are about 36 years old so but i know the history, as I got them new.
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by burgerkong View Post But checking back on the waist of the 9S, seems like the brakes are most likely 70mm, which means bending around 1cm per side. Should be doable-ish (tools aren't an issue), but I might as well buy new bindings if I have to buy new brakes. Food for thought.

 

It's not about the tools or how much bend is needed - it's that even with tools those brakes

a) are much more brittle than other brakes 

b) are pains to take apart for bending

c) pretty much require being taken apart for bending because it's near impossible to not screw up the retraction mechanism bending them in place.

 

post #13 of 15

Go get boots! Now, not later! You will get a MUCH better price right now on a pair of boots than you will in October or November. Remember, we just had an historically awful season in the Northeast, and pretty much every shop East of the Mississippi (or Winnipeg in Canada) is sitting on WAY more stock than they usually are at this time of year, and the desperately want to get rid of it. I haven't heard of any quantum leaps in boot technology in the works for next season, so a 2017 boot is going to be pretty much the same as a 2016 boot, just twice the price. 

 

For real, go get boots, worry about bindings later. 

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

Go get boots! Now, not later! You will get a MUCH better price right now on a pair of boots than you will in October or November. Remember, we just had an historically awful season in the Northeast, and pretty much every shop East of the Mississippi (or Winnipeg in Canada) is sitting on WAY more stock than they usually are at this time of year, and the desperately want to get rid of it. I haven't heard of any quantum leaps in boot technology in the works for next season, so a 2017 boot is going to be pretty much the same as a 2016 boot, just twice the price. 

 

For real, go get boots, worry about bindings later. 

 

Why not do both? Haha. I think I've settled on a set of Dynastar/Look PX15 Race in excellent (almost new) condition for $65, I don't think I can beat that price. Setting up a time to get meself fitted.

post #15 of 15

$100 for the new Attack 13 bindings is a deal.  At that price I wouldn't waste time looking any further or messing with used bindings.  I've only seen good comments about them (and have them myself).  DIN 13 is enough.

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