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Lange RX 130 buckles wearing out

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi, 

 

I am trying to determine the answer if this is normal (at least for Lange).

my 3rd buckles (from the bottom) is wearing out very fast on both boots (left and right).

After 17 days on the mountain I have a significant wear our of 1 buckle on each boot (the rest 3 are perfect). I am really afraid that if it would continue to wear our the same rate, in about 5-7 more days I would need a new buckle on each boot.

In addition to that, a cosmetic but very annoying feature of the buckles... during the wear and tear period the black buckles are inking the paint (after each ski day), so I have to wipe white boot every day removing this paint (alcohol works so far).

 

Is it normal? Could I do anything about it? How could I order a new buckles from Lange if needed, or is this repairable at some way?

 

thank you,

 

Oleg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 16

we see the buckle wear sometimes but never had one wear through yet, normally it is if the boot is done up loosely and there is a bit of play

 

getting new buckles should be fairly easy via your local lange stockist

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

so, let me sum this (since this is my only 2nd pair of ski boots, I have not a lot of experience on what to expect).

 

-- It is normal for ski boots to loose about 40% of one buckle (out of 4) after just 17 days on the snow. Following after that: it is normal to get a new buckle after like 40 days of the snow, right?

-- it is normal, that after a day of skiing my boot is all in black ink paint from that wearing out buckle (after all it just a cosmetic, right?)

 

All of the above are just a cosmetic quality issues, and I can not expect better from $500 boot (MSRP: $800). 

Wondering, how much should be the price for the boots without above cosmetic issues.

(I am not really happy with the quality, I am happy with the fit of these boots, and since I can not do much....)

 

(P.S. my local ski shop where I bought boots promised to get a hold of local Lange rep, but never did (even after 2 reminders), boots are still on Lange/Rossignol warranty).

post #4 of 16

try contacting lange yourself?

 

this is a bit unusual, but far form life threatening.

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
 

try contacting lange yourself?

 

this is a bit unusual, but far form life threatening.


nothing is life threatening.... Worse case, I could get another boot, right? 

but I believe in some standards which are correlate to the price. My personal believe is $500 boot should not ink paint and wear off buckle after 17 days (actually it had started from the day 2).

I guess I am wrong :dunno Live and learn.

post #6 of 16

try contacting lange yourself.   Sounds like this might be the fastest way to get some help?

post #7 of 16
Oleg,

Your buckle is threaded all the way in which causes it to hit the base plate. If you thread the buckle back out so that it no longer hits, the wear will stop.

The buckle catch can be moved into a pre drilled hole if you have run out of adjustment.

The damage is only cosmetic and will not hurt your boots at all. Actually it makes look like someone who skis owns them.

No need to worry.

jl
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BOOTech,Inc. View Post

Oleg,

Your buckle is threaded all the way in which causes it to hit the base plate. If you thread the buckle back out so that it no longer hits, the wear will stop.

The buckle catch can be moved into a pre drilled hole if you have run out of adjustment.

The damage is only cosmetic and will not hurt your boots at all. Actually it makes look like someone who skis owns them.

No need to worry.

jl


I am not sure I understand, do you suggest to re-drill new holes for this buckle? If that wasn't much to ask, could show me where on the picture?

because the rubbing part see on picture attached.. (how would you move it?)

 

 

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
 

try contacting lange yourself.   Sounds like this might be the fastest way to get some help?


I did open the support case with Rossignol (apparently Lange = Rossignol). Too bad that local shop could not help me with anything

(not fix the issue, nor help contacting with manufacturer).

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post


I am not sure I understand, do you suggest to re-drill new holes for this buckle? If that wasn't much to ask, could show me where on the picture?
because the rubbing part see on picture attached.. (how would you move it?)








If you open the micro adjust on the buckle by turning it counter clockwise, the buckle will no longer hit the base plate. If you are on the last notch on the catch and have the buckle threaded all the way in to make it tight enough, the catches have pre drilled holes that allow you to move them to create more range.

You don't need to drill any holes. If you ignore the problem, it will take years for it to become anything more than a cosmetic issue. I can't recall ever seeing a buckle fail from this common situation. Open the micro adjust, take a little sandpaper to the buckle and go skiing.

jl
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 

oh... Thank you. Now I got it (I think). My micro adjustment of all buckles is max closed; you have suggesting to max open it (at least for this buckle). 

I sure will try.

Thank you,

 

Oleg

post #12 of 16

Bootech has you on the right track.  This is really to small a problem to worry about.  Your buckles will easily last the life of the boots.  Unscrew the micro-adjustment and you'll be golden.  Call off the dogs at Lange.

 

Lou

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

will try to close this season in Heavenly on 24th and will try to see how it would work.

Thank you all for your help, I hope everything would work fine... (I would still want to buy a new buckle (two of them) from Lange directly).

(P.S. as I mentioned before, I do like the boot fit and flex, just quality is "new" to me)

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

I had tried today and unfortunately the clever idea with buckles micro adjustment won't work with the particular problem.

 

here are the examples:

 

1. This is my buckle set to min (all in) adjustment. so you could see the buckle on metal

 

 

2. this is example when the micro adjustment is all out (max + )

 

 

you can see in either case, max or min it would still wear out (from lower side only)

 

 

 

and I have to point that the same wear out DOES NOT happening on the very first from the top buckle (no matter if adjustment is max or min) only on second from the top (both boots) and only 1 side of the buckle (lower not upper)

 

 

still not a big deal? Why does this happening? Why I had not have the seam issue on Tecnica boots (also 4 buckles boot)? I would wait to "call out my dogs" on Lange

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 

I had tried today and unfortunately the clever idea with buckles micro adjustment won't work with the particular problem.

 

here are the examples:

 

1. This is my buckle set to min (all in) adjustment. so you could see the buckle on metal

 

 

2. this is example when the micro adjustment is all out (max + )

 

 

you can see in either case, max or min it would still wear out (from lower side only)

 

 

 

and I have to point that the same wear out DOES NOT happening on the very first from the top buckle (no matter if adjustment is max or min) only on second from the top (both boots) and only 1 side of the buckle (lower not upper)

 

 

still not a big deal? Why does this happening? Why I had not have the seam issue on Tecnica boots (also 4 buckles boot)? I would wait to "call out my dogs" on Lange

 

     Your problem is caused by the bend in the chrome, threaded micro adjustment part, that is pinned to the black part that latches into the buckle ladder---If you screw the micro adjustment all the way in and flip the buckle over to the rear---then bend some of the curve out of the chrome part, the buckle will no longer hit the mount plate.  This curved part is made of mild steel and can be bent, if done carefully.  You need to straighten it out---I just did it on a boot from our stock with no damage to the buckle.

 

Picture of buckle flipped over---support the area just where this chrome part is bent, then grip the end where the pin goes through the buckle latch with a pair of pliers and bend the curve out of the chrome piece.

 

 

 

 Here is the buckle in a closed position, after some of the bend has been removed.  The buckle still works correctly, but no longer hits the mount.

 

Be careful, Good luck

 

mike


Edited by miketsc - 4/22/16 at 8:23am
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

thank you, I will try this too

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