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Another Marker MMR question

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

The other day when leaving "the hill" (last day of the 2015/16 season)  the "hill's" ski tech came up to me and staring at my skis, older Fischer WorldCup SL skis with the Marker bindings he commented "that it was about 16 years since he had seen bindings like those and added how they have a life of 15 years". I've been using them for about 6 years with no problems. Wonderful skis and bindings!  He added how using these bindings might be like driving with 16 year old tires on your car.  But added it is all about the risk level we accept.  He also added "he has seen the results of failure of older bindings and that wasn't pretty."  Then he left as suddenly as he appeared.  Needless to say this left me feeling uneasy and with a puzzled state of how he singled me out; and more importantly if perhaps he was right and I should file the binding in my gear archives / museum. 

 

So I'm looking for comments from the knowledgeable here as how to determine the age of my bindings and if the uneasy feeling the ski tech guy left me with is justified or not.  The bindings' springs are silver and have not been painted as I see in other pictures I have found of the typical Marker turntable bindings.  The frame that holds the springs is painted light grey with "Racing" in red as a label. 

 

The skis were given to my by a good friend who has extensive knowledge and skills in skiing and in the technical side of the equipment.

I will be speaking with him at some point and mention this to him then. Just looking for any comments now. I have the summer to replace the bindings if that is the recommendation. I appreciate your comments.

 

Thanks

 

Mike

post #2 of 22

Some of my bindings are a lot older.  If you've maintained them and check them they should be ok.  If they are plastic ski in areas were it ok if they break that you can get down relatively easily.

 

I have Tyrolia 360D (metal and 36yrs old)) no worries, Marker M48R (metal about 27yrs old) no worries and an unmounted set of M48 (plastic about 27yrs old) these I would be suspect of in actual use for breakage it some point.

post #3 of 22

The way to tell if they are good is to have a tech do a visual inspection and a torque test--problem is the bindings are no longer indemnified so it's unlikely a tech will test or ok them.

post #4 of 22

Hmm, I apologise, I'm having trouble placing the exact model of binding you have.  

It at first sounded like you might have a MRR with a biometric toe like:


but that's not the right heelpiece.     You probably don't have some of the old MRs:

post #5 of 22

Don't replace the bindings.  Replace the whole setup,  if you are so inclined.

Equipment does get a little better every year and after 15-20 years, it adds up.

post #6 of 22

Hmm, yes.   Older Fischer SLs were some very very nice skis indeed, but at this point how much edge is really left?

post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

The way to tell if they are good is to have a tech do a visual inspection and a torque test--problem is the bindings are no longer indemnified so it's unlikely a tech will test or ok them.

This, some techs will test them but still no indemnification. The point is the check and test will give an idea if you should or shouldn't. Again with old stuff it's more about ensuring that it functions correctly and doesn't fail when you need it.

Indemnification is just a way of saying we won't support or protect anyone still using this stuff, you're on your own, use at your own risk.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks very much for the replies.  Very interesting comments.  The upper picture by cantunamunch is just about "exactly" the binding I have ! The color of the frame of the heel piece is light grey with "Racing" in red on the top surface. The mounting plate is missing and the "turntable" is mounted directly to the ski.  The toe piece is black whereas the one in your picture is light grey.  Also ... I failed to mention  ... the toe piece had "Full spectrum" written on the part where the boot's toe would be locked in place. Does this help in placing a year of manufacture on them?

 

I'll try to get a picture and post it here .... (should have done that with my question).

 

Regarding the skis' edge -- there is enough left for some time yet.  However the top layer is starting to delaminate and the edge of that top surface is starting to peel and split near the shovel.  They look like hell but they "work right some fine" ! These skis have been so great I hate to see them die. They are light, very responsive and have served me extremely well.

 

The tech that cautioned me as to the life of these bindings would likely condemn rather than test them, based on their age.

 

The main components of the binding is metal rather than plastic.

 

Picture coming tomorrow (I hope - just have to figure out how to post a picture here).

 

Mike

post #9 of 22
Great bindings those MRR's. Sold a set of red/white ones on eBay a couple years ago for big $$$
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sailing skier View Post
 

Thanks very much for the replies.  Very interesting comments.  The upper picture by cantunamunch is just about "exactly" the binding I have ! The color of the frame of the heel piece is light grey with "Racing" in red on the top surface. The mounting plate is missing and the "turntable" is mounted directly to the ski.  The toe piece is black whereas the one in your picture is light grey.  Also ... I failed to mention  ... the toe piece had "Full spectrum" written on the part where the boot's toe would be locked in place. Does this help in placing a year of manufacture on them?

 

Rough guess mid-90s, 96ish.

post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

The way to tell if they are good is to have a tech do a visual inspection and a torque test--problem is the bindings are no longer indemnified so it's unlikely a tech will test or ok them.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post


This, some techs will test them but still no indemnification. The point is the check and test will give an idea if you should or shouldn't. Again with old stuff it's more about ensuring that it functions correctly and doesn't fail when you need it.

Indemnification is just a way of saying we won't support or protect anyone still using this stuff, you're on your own, use at your own risk.

This.

 

 

Also @cantunamunch that is an unusual looking MR setup in the bottom pic. Those heels were ALWAYS white with that toe. Maybe European? (Or just my memory).

Edited to add; Looking at that picture again,  the writing on the box is some sort of Eastern European language. 

post #12 of 22

Also the comment by the "hill's tech" in the OP about the "life of that binding is 15 years" is straight up BS. I've never heard a binding company rep say anything like that. Way too long a time frame to make that statement.

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skiatopygia View Post
Also @cantunamunch that is an unusual looking MR setup in the bottom pic. Those heels were ALWAYS white with that toe. Maybe European? (Or just my memory).

Edited to add; Looking at that picture again,  the writing on the box is some sort of Eastern European language. 

 

The writing on the box is Polish on top of German on top of Russian - but the funny thing is the top pic is :) a JP market binding

post #14 of 22

I've seen a black and red MMR about 1990's vintage.

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post
 

I've seen a black and red MMR about 1990's vintage.

 

There was also a red w. black one, I think @Rossi Smash has a pic posted somewheres.

post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 

The tech guy may have suggested 1992 as the vintage of the bindings, now that I try to recall his comments.

 

Here are some pictures of the binding I have. I have heard a rattle type of noise in one of them when skiing fast which bothered me at first. 

 

 

 

 

 

post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sailing skier View Post
 

The tech guy may have suggested 1992 as the vintage of the bindings, now that I try to recall his comments.

 

Well, that toepiece was available for '92, but the heel is at least one year newer.    I would have said '92-93 but I seem to remember black with red springs.

post #18 of 22

Always wanted a set of those, I have the plain step in heel, in the M48 and M48R version.

post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all your input.  On further examination of the skis I found the base of one has started to delaminate from the core ... not a good thing - and I hate to removes these from service .... so I expect as Shredhead, in post # 5 suggests, I may have to replace the whole set up.   I do have a set of Fischer Fire 8's ( with a Centro 412 Atomic binding) at 170 cm which right now will become next year's ski set.  They aren't as responsive as the World cup SL's at 165 but still are a fun ski.

 

Mike

post #20 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailing skier View Post
 

   I do have a set of Fischer Fire 8's ( with a Centro 412 Atomic binding) at 170 cm which right now will become next year's ski set. 

 

OK you're just setting yourself up for tech comments with that binding.    I'd honestly rather be on the MRRs  :D

post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 

Good chance I am ... wasn't there a recall on that binding a number of years ago?  Actually my wife's skis have the same binding.  When I questioned a ski department of a sports store, back then, about the recall (if in fact it was on these bindings) they played dumb and questioned where I had heard of the recall.  The decision guy wasn't working that day.  I think the recall was "bring in the defective binding and receive a new one"  Any of this recalled by any of you? Probably about 10 years ago or longer.

 

What prompts you to suggest I'd be drawing the tech's attention cantunamunch?  Is there a problem with this binding?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 

Found the recall notice !   http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2009/Atomic-Skis-USA-Recalls-Ski-Bindings-Due-to-Unexpected-Release-Fall-Hazard/

 

And looking at the bindings I have; my wife's is the Centro 310 , manufactured in April 2005 and mine is the Centro 412 manufactured in October 2003.  So these bindings are not among the recalled units.  But this is good to know, if the tech mentions anything if he notices them.  Glad you made the comment cantunamunch! It is because of your comment that I took another look. I had long forgotten about this.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

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