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Ski size for my 4 year old

post #1 of 13
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Hopefully this hasn't been asked to death already, I did search and I'm finding conflicting opinions and getting conflicting opinions from store staff members.

We're going to Marmot Basin next week. My daughter is 4y3m. She skiied last year 4 times, twice on the Marmot magic carpet hill and took a lesson there. She did okay but didn't have a lot of strength in her legs. This year, we've skiied 3 times at local hills (not mountains) and the last time, she was going down the magic carpet hill by herself (steeper than the one at Marmot) and did about 7 green runs. The first couple runs she'd purposely fall when turning and we'd pick her back up. But the last several she went down and pizza-ed to slow down and would turn with airplane arms. If she forgot it was easy to just call out to her and she'd follow instructions. No falling and no help from us needed. She was skiing with 80cm skis.

We're buying the kids skis so we can skip the rental lines at Marmot so for this season, they will be used 3 times. For this kid, the 80's are at her collar bone. Pretty much perfect. Too short for next year though, right?

The 90's are are touching under her nose. Too long for this year? But likely good for next year.

I don't want to hinder her skiing as she did so well last time we were out that I'd like to continue to build on that. So if the 80's are needed for that, I'll go with it and sell them next year. But if the 90's will be ok, it sure would be nice to have them last longer.

There are a set of 88's too but not sure that's enough of a savings over the 90's to make a difference?

Oh, she's 33-34 pounds and 41" tall.

Thanks for any input!

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post #2 of 13

At that age, at that size, for that objective, 3-4 ski days.. go with the better deal as long as the bindings are good.  Don't go over 90cm until they are rocking them though..

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Originally Posted by SkiMauw View Post

Hopefully this hasn't been asked to death already, I did search and I'm finding conflicting opinions and getting conflicting opinions from store staff members.

We're going to Marmot Basin next week. My daughter is 4y3m. She skiied last year 4 times, twice on the Marmot magic carpet hill and took a lesson there. She did okay but didn't have a lot of strength in her legs. This year, we've skiied 3 times at local hills (not mountains) and the last time, she was going down the magic carpet hill by herself (steeper than the one at Marmot) and did about 7 green runs. The first couple runs she'd purposely fall when turning and we'd pick her back up. But the last several she went down and pizza-ed to slow down and would turn with airplane arms. If she forgot it was easy to just call out to her and she'd follow instructions. No falling and no help from us needed. She was skiing with 80cm skis.

We're buying the kids skis so we can skip the rental lines at Marmot so for this season, they will be used 3 times. For this kid, the 80's are at her collar bone. Pretty much perfect. Too short for next year though, right?

The 90's are are touching under her nose. Too long for this year? But likely good for next year.

I don't want to hinder her skiing as she did so well last time we were out that I'd like to continue to build on that. So if the 80's are needed for that, I'll go with it and sell them next year. But if the 90's will be ok, it sure would be nice to have them last longer.

There are a set of 88's too but not sure that's enough of a savings over the 90's to make a difference?

Oh, she's 33-34 pounds and 41" tall.

Thanks for any input!


Welcome to EpicSki!  At 4yo, the 80s will be too short for next season for sure.  What are you going to do about boots?  When you say "used 3 times" do you mean 3 days?  Is the rental process just once for the entire trip?

 

When my daughter was that age, I rented for a couple seasons and then went with a season rental when we were skiing 5-10 days for a couple more seasons.  After that, it was easy to buy skis (used) a little long and get two seasons before they were too short.

post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I think both are about the same price. Just the 90's should be good next year as well I'd think so a better deal in that respect. They are both new skis and bindings but I have no idea what makes a binding good. The used ski market here sucks so the only thing available used were a couple pairs of 100's at one of the 2 places that sell kids skis here. And we knew those were too big (staff also said too big).
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Thanks. I think both are about the same price. Just the 90's should be good next year as well I'd think so a better deal in that respect. They are both new skis and bindings but I have no idea what makes a binding good. The used ski market here sucks so the only thing available used were a couple pairs of 100's at one of the 2 places that sell kids skis here. And we knew those were too big (staff also said too big).


Buying new, might as well go longer.  It sounds like your daughter is not a big worrier so will probably adjust okay.  Can always rent for the first day at Marmot if she is having trouble.

 

What about boots?  Those need to fit.

 

If you haven't seen it yet, might get some general ideas about how to save money when outfitting a growing kid from this thread:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/92869/money-time-saving-tips-for-parents-with-small-children-who-ski

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Welcome to EpicSki!  At 4yo, the 80s will be too short for next season for sure.  What are you going to do about boots?  When you say "used 3 times" do you mean 3 days?  Is the rental process just once for the entire trip?

When my daughter was that age, I rented for a couple seasons and then went with a season rental when we were skiing 5-10 days for a couple more seasons.  After that, it was easy to buy skis (used) a little long and get two seasons before they were too short.

Sorry I missed this post earlier (you folks are fast! Awesome!). Yes I meant 3 days. We are going to get a lower mountain pass for day 1, then day 2 and 3 may be full mountain, depends on how the kids are feeling.

It won't be 3 straight days. I find they are super worn out at the end of a full day of skiing. So we'd have to return and re-rent at least once. We find the rental line exhausting. By the time we're through the kids are hungry and want to eat and we end up missing out on at least 2 hours of ski time. LOL (there are 5 of us)

At Marmot last uear renting was slow because you have to park near the rental place to get your stuff, then move your vehicle to an upper parking lot and ski down. So stayed with the kids last year while my husband moved the vehicle and skiied down but I couldn't do much other than wait as the kids had trouble carrying their skis and such to get to the magic carpet (metal stairs involved). So more wasted time there.

I got her boots. Our local shop didn't have her size left but I took what I learned from them and got her a pair at our big box sports shop. She says her toes touch the end and that the boot feels snug. On the size smaller she said it hurt and that her toes were bunched up. I pulled the footbed out of the smaller size and her toes are slightly over the end of the footbed which might be okay once they pack out? But not sure how much packing out they'd do in 3 days when she does the least skiing out of all of us.

Again, thanks for the quick replies. Everyone here is so helpful!
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
We're going with the 90's. Dad went back to the store with her to double check sizing and the 90's are mid chin. The 80's are a bit below collar bone. My original comment of where they sat was just from measuring from floor to 80 and 90cm on her not from memory of where the skis actually sat. The 88's are actually a bit taller than the 90's (different brands).
post #8 of 13
related question, what are the problems with skis that are too short for kids?

I have recently sort of started several kids skiing and I've only encountered the very real problems with long skis. Sometimes girls with weaker leg strength just can't control the longer skis and they fall more and are just unwieldy. Like they get them crossed easier then can't uncross them or just can't make a pizza as well. it becomes very frustrating, but when they are on skis that are 'too short' everything becomes way easier and they have a better time.

So it makes me wonder what the disadvantages of having skis that are 'too short' are.
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So it makes me wonder what the disadvantages of having skis that are 'too short' are.

 

 

Really not much until they start trying to tackle more challenging terrain. If they don't have enough edge to check speed or hold on steeper, icy terrain they're gonna have a bad time..

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Really not much until they start trying to tackle more challenging terrain. If they don't have enough edge to check speed or hold on steeper, icy terrain they're gonna have a bad time..

ah thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
post #11 of 13

One big plus to a four year old having their own gear is... even though they may not get to ski it at the big mountain but a few times before the outgrow it... it is great to have and let them play with it out in the yard from time to time.  You don't even have to have snow.  They can put the boots on, click in, and stomp around on the grass playing with the skis.  It gives them practice putting skis on, taking them off, leanring to walk around, get back up after they trip and fall, which they will.  Just be sure that they wear gloves or mittens so they don't cut their hand on the edges.  Also, keep them on the grass, not rocks or pavement. Edges and bases will be fine on grass.

post #12 of 13
If skis are too short they can also get into bad habits and have to retrain a bit when they go to a properly sized ski. (Balance, edging, posture).

Better young skiers can also see their tails washing out if ski is too short.
post #13 of 13
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Just wanted to update that she was fine in the 90s. Did great in her lessons and rode the chairlift with the instructor to ski the lower mountain green runs. Then on other days, skied all the mid mountain green runs with us and didn't need us to help her out.
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