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Proper binding for Rossi Soul 7

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 

I am looking for a binding to mount on a recently purchased Rossi Soul 7, 164 cm. I am an advanced skier, 5' 6" 155 lbs.,  but also spend some  time on the intermediate runs skiing with the family. I am considering the Pivot 12, Marker Griffons, as well as the Axial 3. Any thoughts or recommendations?  BTW, I can see why this ski has become so ubiquitous, it's very forgiving and allows a skier like myself to easily ski terrain that I otherwise would find rather challenging. 

post #2 of 27

Try to find and old pair of cable bindings that are still in good condition. :)

post #3 of 27

Stay away from the Griffons. Hard to step into in soft snow. I like Solly STH's but many other good choices. 

Disadvantage of the Pivot/FKS line is less heel adjustment if multiple users or you change BSL.

post #4 of 27
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Stay away from the Griffons. Hard to step into in soft snow.

+1000
post #5 of 27

Solly STH2 16! Always easy to find good prices...

post #6 of 27

I really like the Tyrolia Attack. Comes in 13 or 16. Great binding, not too heavy, but heavy duty.

post #7 of 27
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+1000

You guys make a Marker Royal binding sound like root canal.

 

Hint: If snow is stuck to the underside of your boot, drag the offending toe or heel of your boot over the top of the toe-piece -> et voila, snow is gone.

post #8 of 27
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You guys make a Marker Royal binding sound like root canal.

 

Hint: If snow is stuck to the underside of your boot, drag the offending toe or heel of your boot over the top of the toe-piece -> et voila, snow is gone.

It has nothing to do with snow getting stuck to the bottom of the boot and everything to do with the force required to get into the binding with the ski on soft snow and the shorter the boot the worse the problem.

 

But, yeah, I'd go for a root canal before I'll ever own another Marker royal family binding.

post #9 of 27
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+1000

You guys make a Marker Royal binding sound like root canal.

 

 

If your root canals are that annoying or time-wasting you need a better dental surgeon.     

 

When you're unable to click in for over 20 minutes and the shop guy is prone checking BSL for the 5th time on a perfectly dry, unskied boot - no boot swipe is going to help.      

(Yeh, OK, I probably earned a root canal from all the tailgate food I ate while the process was going on :D )

post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post
 

You guys make a Marker Royal binding sound like root canal.

 

Hint: If snow is stuck to the underside of your boot, drag the offending toe or heel of your boot over the top of the toe-piece -> et voila, snow is gone.

It has nothing to do with snow getting stuck to the bottom of the boot and everything to do with the force required to get into the binding with the ski on soft snow and the shorter the boot the worse the problem.

 

 

Exactly. But then you probably don't have to put your skis on in deep soft snow in Ontario very often.

post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 

Thanks, for the input. It is a great aid to go to your local ski shop with the background knowledge that you can harvest on this site.

post #12 of 27
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Exactly. But then you probably don't have to put your skis on in deep soft snow in Ontario very often.


So true ... plus I'm so awesome I never fall down !!! :D

Though on some ski trips, I have tumbled a few times in deep snow, but never had a disaster getting back into my skis.

I have heard the Marker deep-snow problems many times at every forum, so the problem surely does exist.

BTW the Attack 13 Demo is now my preferred binding.

post #13 of 27
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BTW the Attack 13 Demo is now my preferred binding.

One of the best bindings around, demo or not.
post #14 of 27
If you are 5'6" like me and mtcyclist you have a 25.5 boot with bsl 293 to 297.
Indeed griffins are a pain to click into
I am never using them again.
Unless you also have a <300 bsl you wont have this problem. Just as you don't know about problems of getting things off from high shelves and what's the big deal with that

Fwiw I put sth2 13s on my newest skis.
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 

Great information, It sounds as if I will be perfectly content with either the Attack 13 or the STH2. In the past, I have been stuck in fairly deep Colorado powder wasting way too much time and effort attempting to step into a binding; I never want to experience that sensation again.

post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by m5potter View Post
 

Great information, It sounds as if I will be perfectly content with either the Attack 13 or the STH2. In the past, I have been stuck in fairly deep Colorado powder wasting way too much time and effort attempting to step into a binding; I never want to experience that sensation again.

regardless of binding you still have to know how to do it when it's light and deep--tail of the ski into the snow at a bit of an angle, and you sometimes have to close the heel by hand. Downhill ski first. In some situations it's easier if you have the downhill ski above you and cross the downhill leg in front of the uphill leg to step in. Sounds crazy but makes sense when you need it.

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by m5potter View Post
 

Great information, It sounds as if I will be perfectly content with either the Attack 13 or the STH2. In the past, I have been stuck in fairly deep Colorado powder wasting way too much time and effort attempting to step into a binding; I never want to experience that sensation again.


Attacks and STH2s (13s and 16s for each)  are the two main bindings in play in family. They are really well behaved in my experience. You won't go wrong with either. 

 

The are two small negatives about the Attacks IMO. One is that the brakes are pretty tight to the measurement and hard to bend. I wish they made them in 10mm increments. I'd imagine a 115 would fit a Soul reasonably well though. The other is that the toe pieces seem a tiny bit prone to ice up under some conditions. A minor PITA to clear before clicking in (in deep snow) now and again. OTOH, the heels click in easier than anything else I know. Far easier than the Royals which are incredibly twitchy wrt forward pressure and where the boot hits the heel. It s worth noting that the Attacks are insanely light, low, and flat  - all good IMO.

 

Pivots are certainly excellent. But they are about as twitchy as it gets to set up correctly -- it is only luck if the tabs actually indicate the correct forward pressure. So for my .02, you only want those if the shop doing the mount does a tone of Pivots.

post #18 of 27
FWIW, for the OP's Rossi, I'd do the Pivot 12 and get the extra year added to the ski warrantee. Great binding. Attack 13 would be my second choice.
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 


When in deep snow, I will angle the ski as you described before stepping in, but I was unaware of the other technique you described. The next time out, I will certainly field test that maneuver, thanks.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I really like the Tyrolia Attack. Comes in 13 or 16. Great binding, not too heavy, but heavy duty.


This for sure, my favorite binding for functionality and durability. STH and pivot would be my next choices. Also agree to stay away from Marker Griffon.

post #21 of 27
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Attacks and STH2s (13s and 16s for each)  are the two main bindings in play in family. They are really well behaved in my experience. You won't go wrong with either. 

 

The are two small negatives about the Attacks IMO. One is that the brakes are pretty tight to the measurement and hard to bend. I wish they made them in 10mm increments. I'd imagine a 115 would fit a Soul reasonably well though. The other is that the toe pieces seem a tiny bit prone to ice up under some conditions. A minor PITA to clear before clicking in (in deep snow) now and again. OTOH, the heels click in easier than anything else I know. Far easier than the Royals which are incredibly twitchy wrt forward pressure and where the boot hits the heel. It s worth noting that the Attacks are insanely light, low, and flat  - all good IMO.

 

Pivots are certainly excellent. But they are about as twitchy as it gets to set up correctly -- it is only luck if the tabs actually indicate the correct forward pressure. So for my .02, you only want those if the shop doing the mount does a tone of Pivots.


I have to disagree about the attacks icing up, I have STH, Pivot's and have had several marker bindings and my Attack's ice up less than any of them. By far the best binding I've used when I go heli in the deep stuff.

post #22 of 27
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I have to disagree about the attacks icing up, I have STH, Pivot's and have had several marker bindings and my Attack's ice up less than any of them. By far the best binding I've used when I go heli in the deep stuff.


To be clear - I am mounting more skis with Attacks than anything else these days. I really like them. But I have found that under certain conditions I need to use my pole tip to chip a bit of ice out of the toe piece in order to click in properly (or I have to be seriously anal about clearing both the boot and binding in advance). Including after stepping out of a helicopter. OTOH, I prefer the weight, ramp, and height of the Attacks to that of the Salomons. Despite a simpler toe, the Attacks have so far been quite well behaved in terms of releasing for me.

 

The iced toe piece is not a day to day thing - but more frequent with the Attacks than the STH2s IME. Your experience may well be different. 

 

No binding I know of wins in every single dimension of design and performance. IMO all three under discussion are in the "really good" zone.

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
 


To be clear - I am mounting more skis with Attacks than anything else these days. I really like them. But I have found that under certain conditions I need to use my pole tip to chip a bit of ice out of the toe piece in order to click in properly (or I have to be seriously anal about clearing both the boot and binding in advance). Including after stepping out of a helicopter. OTOH, I prefer the weight, ramp, and height of the Attacks to that of the Salomons. Despite a simpler toe, the Attacks have so far been quite well behaved in terms of releasing for me.

 

The iced toe piece is not a day to day thing - but more frequent with the Attacks than the STH2s IME. Your experience may well be different. 

 

No binding I know of wins in every single dimension of design and performance. IMO all three under discussion are in the "really good" zone.

 

No I agree, you really can't go wrong with any of the 3. I just love the Attacks because I've literally never had even the smallest issue with mine. Lucky I guess, the brakes are definitely a bit of a bitch though.

post #24 of 27

Any thoughts/opinions on demo vs non-demo bindings for Soul 7 HD?

 

I had a chance to try these out at Stevens and really enjoyed them.  I'm planning on getting a set as my daily driver.

 

I'm 5'11" 175lbs, aggressive-ish advanced skier.  Tried the 188s and that's what I'm planning on getting.  The demo skis has Griffon demos and I didn't really have any issues with them, they were noticeably "harder" to get into.  (An observation and question:  I've been demoing skis this season to figure out what I want to get and almost every place I've demo'd; Baker, Stevens, Sun Peaks, Utah, most of them have the Marker Griffon on them.  So I figured they were the best binding out there until I read this thread.  If the Griffons are problematic why do so many resorts/shop use them on demos?) 

 

I'm thinking of the demo binding because I'd like to be able to adjust the position back for possible deeper powder days and I've just recently gotten seriously into skiing and wouldn't mind be able to adjust to feel out the differences.  I've been skiing for 20+ years but mainly recreationally, now my kids are old enough where we can do more of the "fun" stuff.

 

I'm leaning toward the Attack 13 Demo.  WRT to DIN, I'm usually setup at 9-9.5, is there any significant benefits of getting a higher rating binding; i.e. 16 vs 13?

 

What about getting touring binding in the event I want to try touring in the future?  Tyrolia Adrenaline 13?  I would me nice to not have to buy another set of bindings.

 

Thanks all!  Let the knowledge floweth.

post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by skibumpnw View Post
 

Any thoughts/opinions on demo vs non-demo bindings for Soul 7 HD?

 

I had a chance to try these out at Stevens and really enjoyed them.  I'm planning on getting a set as my daily driver.

 

I'm 5'11" 175lbs, aggressive-ish advanced skier.  Tried the 188s and that's what I'm planning on getting.  The demo skis has Griffon demos and I didn't really have any issues with them, they were noticeably "harder" to get into.  (An observation and question:  I've been demoing skis this season to figure out what I want to get and almost every place I've demo'd; Baker, Stevens, Sun Peaks, Utah, most of them have the Marker Griffon on them.  So I figured they were the best binding out there until I read this thread.  If the Griffons are problematic why do so many resorts/shop use them on demos?) 

 

I'm thinking of the demo binding because I'd like to be able to adjust the position back for possible deeper powder days and I've just recently gotten seriously into skiing and wouldn't mind be able to adjust to feel out the differences.  I've been skiing for 20+ years but mainly recreationally, now my kids are old enough where we can do more of the "fun" stuff.

 

I'm leaning toward the Attack 13 Demo.  WRT to DIN, I'm usually setup at 9-9.5, is there any significant benefits of getting a higher rating binding; i.e. 16 vs 13?

 

What about getting touring binding in the event I want to try touring in the future?  Tyrolia Adrenaline 13?  I would me nice to not have to buy another set of bindings.

 

Thanks all!  Let the knowledge floweth.

demo bindings are heavier, no reason to get them unless you share skis or are really testing different mounting points. No reason to change mount point to go ski powder or bumps, doesn't make much sense to carry that extra load!

 

Would get regular bindings and mount at recommended unless you have a good reason not to

post #26 of 27

The Griffons are popular on demos because the demo version is lighter and simpler than a lot of other demos and they're cheap. Mount non-demo bindings on the factory line and don't worry about it. They'll float just fine.  

post #27 of 27

I have the Saloman on my fat ski , I bought it because of the price and knew  that they know how to make bindings and just put the Axial 3 on my new 98"s.

Both have been great but the Rossi seems to have a " shorter throw " that makes me have to use a little more pressure , alot really, and more attention when stepping in.

My wife has the Marker Squire and yes they SUCK, even people that have helped her back in her skis after crashing have told her they SUCK and of course I SUCK because I was a cheap ass and figured she'd be fine.

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