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New skis with thin edges?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hello,

I'm new on this forum.
I bought skis Salomon MTN explore 95 (184cm) online, and when I got them, I noticed that edges on one side of skis is too thin (1.3 mm) on upper portion of ski (+,- 15cm from rocker start position), and only on one side of ski.  In waist and tail edge is ok, about 1.9 mm. I'm talking about edge height when viewed from side. Is it too thin? In the magazine ( https://www.joomag.com/en/newsstand/buyers-guide-2016-skialper-november-2015/0687345001447147821 ) say that the edges on that skis is 1.9 x 1.9 mm.


Is my new skis for reclamation?

 

Thank you,

(sorry for poor English)

post #2 of 25

Welcome to the forum.

 

I'm guessing you didn't buy them from a shop did you ?

 

If you did, contact them and see about sending them back.

post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 

Yes I bought them on online shop from France.
The skis is new, without bindings, and with sticker "quality control - OK"..

I only have one pair of skis prior to this, Dynafit Seven summits and edges on them is much wider.

 

You can see in the picture:

 


Edited by hnnaum - 3/14/16 at 12:19pm
post #4 of 25

Wow - sure looks too thin/mismatched.  Definitely contact the online vendor.  Good luck!

post #5 of 25

Yeah, that's not good. Return those for sure!

Looking at those more closely I can see that that not only is the edge thinner but the black line (epoxy or some ski material) behind it is thicker and compensating for the lack of edge that is supposed to be there which is a clear indication that those skis came from the manufacture like that. It's a manufacturing defect, especially if they are brand new and have never been mounted.  Contact Salomon with the picture you have posted here and I can almost promise you they will send you a brand new pair directly from their warehouse. I would be surprised if they don't.  Good luck and hope you get a new pair pronto!


Edited by BigMountainLuv - 3/15/16 at 12:13am
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thank you all. I will contact the seller :dunno

post #7 of 25

I got a new pair of Nordicas that a similar problem. One edge on one ski was obviously very thin when looking at the bases. Mine was too thin on the side. I bought them online from a shop in Colorado but took them to Nordica authorized shop in California. They returned them to Nordica and I got a new pair of skis. I skied them for almost a year but I returned them while they were still under warranty. I thought I might as well get some use out of them. So two years in a row I started out with new skis.

post #8 of 25

It looks like the skis were either  not flat before the bases were ground or they weren't level in the grinding machine, so too much of the edge was removed when the bases were ground. Which means it's not just the edge that's thin but the base as well.

post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

It looks like the skis were either  not flat before the bases were ground or they weren't level in the grinding machine, so too much of the edge was removed when the bases were ground. Which means it's not just the edge that's thin but the base as well.

But look at that black layer of material between the metal and the yellow sidewall. It's much thicker on the ski with the thinner edge.

It looks like the ski was made that way, not ground down excessively afterwards.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Alpha407 View Post


But look at that black layer of material between the metal and the yellow sidewall. It's much thicker on the ski with the thinner edge.

It looks like the ski was made that way, not ground down excessively afterwards.

Absolutely right.

post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Alpha407 View Post


But look at that black layer of material between the metal and the yellow sidewall. It's much thicker on the ski with the thinner edge.

It looks like the ski was made that way, not ground down excessively afterwards.

True and false at the same time. The ski was first pressed the wrong way (maybe cover of the mould was placed incorrectly), and then ground the edge and base away. You can not buy different steel edge profiles :-)

Function of the ski is steel more or less the same, just aesthetic is as it is.

 

Jurij

post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by LUSST SKI View Post

True and false at the same time. The ski was first pressed the wrong way (maybe cover of the mould was placed incorrectly), and then ground the edge and base away. You can not buy different steel edge profiles :-)
Function of the ski is steel more or less the same, just aesthetic is as it is.

Jurij

I wouldn't bet on the performance being the same as intended by the designer. Flex is most likely altered on that ski.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 

Yes, and it's lifetime is much shorter. 

post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post


I wouldn't bet on the performance being the same as intended by the designer. Flex is most likely altered on that ski.

Flex is altered in the rocker (stick upward) that is in the contact with snow rarely, only in certain conditions. That is why this effect can be neglected.

 

Jurij

post #15 of 25
The poster says the skis came with a quality control sticker saying passed. Clearly they shouldn't have.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by joe strummer View Post

The poster says the skis came with a quality control sticker saying passed. Clearly they shouldn't have.

Depends on quality criteria set by brand name, but in this case I would say Yes

 

Jurij

post #17 of 25

I couldn't find a good picture of the construction of that ski. They have carbon, not metal, but the black on the edge looks too thick to be carbon so I assume it's sidewall material. (On the side view of the ski I found on Blister you can't see the black layer at all, but it's a small picture. It wasn't clear from the OP if it was one ski or both. However, the way the skis are photographed in his later post if the skis were designed that way you should be looking at two thin edges (either both inside edges or both outside) unless one of the skis is upside down. Unless some other pairs can be found in a shop for comparison or unless Salomon says this is how they're designed (unlikely) I'd say bad construction, send em back.

post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 

Here's the answer by a famous magazine:

"Up to your doubts: one of very last process when manufacturing a ski is cutting base and edges, searching for best possible planarity. If  beddings between components and glue have gone to  strong deformation before, differences in thickness between areas of the ski may occur at the end the final set-up cutting. So, our advise: check planarity of base and edges (consider just up to 1° tuning of the edges, better if more in tip and tail). If loosing material in the area of the thinner edge, you recognize a sure fail in the final set-up. Back to the retailer!
If complexive planarity is acceptable you can ski with no immediate problems of course, but what good, earnest and specialist 'physical' retailers usually do is to consider the difference in thickness a fault, and send skis back to the manufacturer anyway, instead of selling them. This because such skis are not able to support the same amount of subsequent lab processing when needed. 0,6 is a strong difference."

post #19 of 25
Check to see if it's just epoxy that oozed over the edge and is just covering the metal. Rather than the metal being thin. Although this still would be a fault demonstrating they didn't Polish or grind the edges as a final step or have poor quality control.
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 

No, it's not epoxy. Here is really thin edge.

post #21 of 25
Have you contacted the seller? I would be extremely surprised if they/Salomon wouldn't replace them with a new set w/o fuss.
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 

I contacted the seller, and they told me that Solomon probably will do a replacement. I'm waiting for a final answer.

post #23 of 25
As a Solomon dealer I can tell you that that if they had been purchased from us, they would be replaced. In fact they might not have made it to the wall to be sold.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

As a Solomon dealer I can tell you that that if they had been purchased from us, they would be replaced. In fact they might not have made it to the wall to be sold.

Solomon:

Salomon:

At least a dealer should be able to spell it correctly.:) (I suppose you're going to blame your phone.)

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

 (I suppose you're going to blame your phone.)

That would be the easy way out. I just f****d up, that's all.
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