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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hi guys,

 

I just bought some new skis (Head Rev 80 Pro), but they didn't come with bindings. As someone who has only skied 20 days in my life, I really don't have a great sense of what kind of bindings I like or what my preference is for binding position/angle, etc.

 

From another thread I started (on skis, not bindings), mtcyclist kindly recommended that with the Head Rev 80, I can go with the Tyrolia AAAtack13/16 bindings, or the PR11 bindings which require the Power Rail.

 

This brought me to wondering what the benefit of the Power Rail is as opposed to getting non-rail regular bindings. Does the Rail make it easier to adjust fore-aft position without re-drilling? Are there other benefits?

 

I read a few threads, like this one, which suggests that the positioning of the binding is quite important to performance. So as a relatively inexperienced skier who may need to find his sweetspot through experience, does it make sense to get bindings that are easily adjustable? For example, this thread suggests that the Atomic-X series binding is a good choice as it allows for "on the hill adjustment to 7 different positions". I don't know how much of this is marketing and how much of it is important.

 

Basically, I just want a binding that will get the job done (don't need a crazy high DIN) for my 80mm skis that will allow for tweaking fore/aft if needed. Any tips to help make this a less daunting choice?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 25
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Originally Posted by ECski50 View Post
 

 

This brought me to wondering what the benefit of the Power Rail is as opposed to getting non-rail regular bindings. Does the Rail make it easier to adjust fore-aft position without re-drilling?

 

PowerRail makes it possible.     It also allows you to say 'no redrilling needed' when you sell the skis with binding.

The advantages of the AAAtack are that it is a stronger binding overall (if you need that), it can be shimmed more easily than PR bindings, and it can easily be remounted onto skis >>90mm waist.

 

At this stage of the EC season, all of this is hypothetical conjecture about next season.    You are right to wonder whether it matters, since at 20 days you don't really have any preferences that can't be changed in the course of one lesson.      I'd say it really doesn't.

But wait a minnit.    The skis you posted in the other thread had  a binding on them, AAAtack demos. 

post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
I'm going to ski a few more times out west this season.

I lost the eBay auction, got the same skis without bindings from REI outlet new.
post #4 of 25

Ah, gotcha.    Where out west?

post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 
Haven't figured it out yet, somewhere open well into April, maybe Banff.
post #6 of 25

In your shoes I'd probably go for the PR on the idea that I'd probably want to keep the Rev80s around for testing, lessons and experimentation even after I bought something else in the 90mmish or 100mmish range.    

post #7 of 25

Does anyone know what brake width options are available for the Head/Tyrolia PR11 bindings?  I see 78 mm (probably not wide enough for EC's Rev 80s), 90 mm, and 115 mm, too wide.

 

I have a pair of new, never mounted, never used PR11 bindings with 90 mm brakes that would be ideal for EC.  If his Rev 80s don't have the rail, he'd need to buy that.  I'll price them to sell!  $75 plus UPS.

 

http://www.worldcupsc.com/head-pr-11-ski-binding/

http://www.coloradodiscountskis.com/store/product4485.html

 

The Rev80 Pro are really nice skis.  Good on packed runs, good on unpacked snow.  The rail system allows the bindings to slip on and off easily (I take mine off when packing them for a flight), and easy to experiment forward and back for the best ski performance in just a couple of seconds.  The release isn't affected.  For example, on my Head i.Supershape Rally skis, I like the bindings set two notches forward of where Head thinks they should go.  On a friend's Head i.Supershape Speed, she likes them one notch forward.  There is no advantage to "flat" bindings (without the rail) on these skis.

post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

Is there a meaningful difference between the various Tyrolia offerings? E.g. PR11 vs. Attach 11 vs. Attack 13, etc.

 

Is the # just the highest DIN setting?

 

SSG, I might take you up on that.

post #9 of 25
PR11 requires a Power Rail. There are some minor internal differences between the AAAtack 11 and 13. The 13 is more durable. We have sold a lot of AAAtack 13s. If you go to factory demo days, almost every manufacturer who doesn't have their own binding uses the AAAtack 13 demo, which is an excellent binding.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post

Does anyone know what brake width options are available for the Head/Tyrolia PR11 bindings?  I see 78 mm (probably not wide enough for EC's Rev 80s), 90 mm, and 115 mm, too wide.

78mm will work just fine. They just need to be bent out a little bit, something we do often.
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
What's the benefit of the 78 over the 90 on an 80mm ski? Also, is it true the power rail is better than no power rail for simpler adjustment?
post #12 of 25
There isn't any benefit of the 78mm vs the 90mm brake. I was only pointing out that the 78 isn't too narrow. Yes, the Power Rail is easy to adjust, provided you know what you're doing. But the AAAtack 13 is a beefier binding.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
What are the benefits of a beefier binding for a recreational skier that will be using a Din under 10? Or is it only important for skiers who will be pushing the boundaries?
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by ECski50 View Post

What are the benefits of a beefier binding for a recreational skier that will be using a Din under 10?


Longevity (what will you be skiing in ~2024+?), less slop development over time (again years here)  and (theoretically) higher resale value.

post #15 of 25

I'll just throw this out there, have you thought about the Knee Binding ?

 

I had those put on my latest skis. It could save you from a ACL issue.

 

There is a thread on here talking about them if you'd like to do a google search I'm sure it would pop up.

post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Okay, makes sense. I guess the million done question is, does the benefit of an inexperienced (intermediate) skier having the ability to adjust their binding position on as they get more experienced on the snow (track mounted) out weigh the benefits of the longevity of a drill-mounted binding? It would seem like yes, since being able to tweak the positioning seems more important than longevity if a hundred books won't make or break the bank.

But again I know very much on the subject which is why I'm asking so many questions. Hopefully this thread helps out newbs in the future. =)
post #17 of 25

If I were you, I would just go to your local shop and see what they have that will work for you.  As long as the DIN range is appropriate, the brake works with the 80mm waist, and its from a major mfr you should be fine.  

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by ECski50 View Post

Okay, makes sense. I guess the million done question is, does the benefit of an inexperienced (intermediate) skier having the ability to adjust their binding position on as they get more experienced on the snow (track mounted) out weigh the benefits of the longevity of a drill-mounted binding? It would seem like yes, since being able to tweak the positioning seems more important than longevity if a hundred books won't make or break the bank.

But again I know very much on the subject which is why I'm asking so many questions. Hopefully this thread helps out newbs in the future. =)

Sounds like you like to tweak gear so the power rail would be a good choice. Or an Attack Demo where you could change things. Either is going to be fine. What do the threads say about binding position on the Rev 80? Sometimes there's a consensus, sometimes not.
post #19 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hmm, I've been looking all over for buying PowerRail compatible bindings, but every seller says "PowerRail not included", and Tyrolia does not sell them direct on their site.

 

Am I missing something obvious, or is this one of those cases where the majority of PowerRail bindings come pre-mounted on new skis, and that nearly no one proactively mounts a PowerRail onto a new pair of flat skis?

post #20 of 25
You're going to have a tough time finding just the rail. If there's a Head dealer near you, contact them and see if they'll order one. Or, just buy the whole thing here, https://www.levelninesports.com/head-prx-12-ski-bindings But, I wouldn't recommend you get a binding specifically so you can mess with the mount point. Get your technique dialed first, then put a demo binding on a later ski. It's pretty rare for the recommended mounting point to be wrong.
post #21 of 25
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hey guys,

 

I want to buy a 78mm binding for an 80mm ski. Some websites say this is fine, but the REI help desk said I can't do it (noting that the customer service rep seemed clueless).

 

Can I get confirmation that a 78mm binding will fit the 80mm Head Rev 80 Pro skis if I (or a professional) adjusts the breaks with a pair of pliers? Definitely do not want to buy something that won't fit. This binding is the only one I can find online under $190 that fits the Power Rail (which came mounted on my Rev 80s).

 

Thanks

post #23 of 25
I like to think of bindings as something I'll have for a while - I like the option of later taking them off and using them on another pair of skis. As an advancing skier, you'll want to make sure the din can accommodate a range of settings appropriate for you not just your current one. Also, I see that nobody has really mentioned this - so I'll just throw in a note about the weight of the binding. Depending on your height and weight, you may want to consider how heavy the binding is. I generally don't like heavy bindings and you'd be surprised at how heavy they can get. Some bindings really make me feel like I have lead weights on my feet and they do impact my skiing. Some people do notice the weight but others won't so it's a matter of preference. If you're going to be doing any hiking to inbounds terrain at your home mountain (don't think op mentioned home mountain, height or weight) you may also want to think about weight. I'm always surprised at how I can feel a few extra pounds when carrying my skis.
post #24 of 25

I agree with @JimH  - I think it would be best to just go to a local shop and figure out what they have that would fit your skis. They'll probably have good end-of-season deals right now. I learned to ski as an adult and, to tell you the truth, I had no idea what I preferred in terms of mount point at 20 days in. It took me several seasons to really figure out what I like both in terms of bindings and mount point. Minor adjustments forwards and backwards I don't think would have mattered to me then. I would seriously suggest getting what is cheaper and what works for your ski, and that has a DIN range that suits your height/weight/type. The Tyrolia bindings will be great. I've skied both the 11 and 13. If you want something you can remount later, go for the 13. Your local ski shop should be able to help out. As you get more miles under your belt, I'm sure you will begin to develop specific tastes about what you like/don't like. 

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by ECski50 View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

I want to buy a 78mm binding for an 80mm ski. Some websites say this is fine, but the REI help desk said I can't do it (noting that the customer service rep seemed clueless).

 

Can I get confirmation that a 78mm binding will fit the 80mm Head Rev 80 Pro skis if I (or a professional) adjusts the breaks with a pair of pliers? Definitely do not want to buy something that won't fit. This binding is the only one I can find online under $190 that fits the Power Rail (which came mounted on my Rev 80s).

 

Thanks

No problem, shouldn't even need to bend them. I just had some 90mm brakes mounted on 100mm skis and even those didn't need much bending.

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